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30" Monitor Jude Alexander 04-26-2007
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Posted by Jude Alexander on April 26, 2007, 10:46 am
Does anybody have a 30" Monitor to do their CAD work and what is your level
of satisfaction?



Posted by gruhn on April 30, 2007, 3:56 am
> Does anybody have a 30" Monitor to do their CAD work and what is your level
> of satisfaction?

I don't. If that's all you care about, you can stop reading here.

I have a 21" tube which I adore. Run the thing at 2048 x 1536 pixels
and if I'm tired really should switch the UI to "big buttons".

There is still aliasing (I work light on black, unlike some Don's I
could name) but it's fine grained enough not to be a distraction. The
details don't smoosh together into bright blobs at reasonable levels
of zoom out. That's something of an aesthetics issue, but I prefer to
look at drawings that look like drawing not greeking.

I used a 19" tube at 1600 x 1200 at the office for five years and it
was... perfectly adequate.

When the drivers for the 21" permitted 2048 pixels I suddenly found
myself not maximizing my applications as much. I generally keep n apps
open and would alt-tab between them. Now I keep the big apps (cad, 3d,
painting) un maximized with bits of others showing to be monitored
visually and grabbed by mouse (if that's what suits me at that
moment). For apps like Photoshop (ok, ok, I'm using Elements) with
unconstrained child palettes, I move them outside the app.

I do keep a second tube around (currently a dump find... looks like
maybe a 17", running at... whatever suits me. 1280 if I want the real
estate. I was running at 800 the other day because the Illustrate
options are pickyass in small type and the extra distance to the side
monitor isn't good). Had a task correcting some drawings based on
PDFed scans of faxes of field sketches. CAD on one tube, PDF on the
other. Yeah, I have to turn my head a bit but it's better than
switching windows to front on the one tube, imo. ymmv.

There are times, less so with the monitor in a lower position than a
higher one, when schlepping all the way across the monitor for a
button or menu gets to be a distraction. UI people have a 2 second
rule for responsiveness. There may be an n inch rule for head turning.
And that is the issue. It's a head movment not just an eye flick. It
probably wouldn't be as bad if I didn't wear glasses which put the
nose piece right between my right eye and the upper left corner ;-).
Still, it may be a consideration. Makes you learn the keyboard
commands and that's good for you. Builds character. Increases
employability.

If you're running a wide 30" then I can see putting up CAD here and
reference material next to it, or getting a better view of a web page
or using more of them new fangled palette thingies (which I'm finally
getting around to integrating into my workflow usefully). Or keeping
the properties panel open ALL the time. Or properties AND palettes!

I had a... musta been a 17" flat running at ... some stupid low cheap
LCD pixel count at the last job. That was not enough. In order to work
smoothly I had to print out those floor plans on real paper. And
that's one of the problems I have with the LCDs. You want how much
money for how much screen that will run how few pixels (and look how
marginal)?

> The resolution checks out with AutoCAD's suggestions on their site.

I could only find:

1024x768 VGA with True Color (more under Vista)

Is that what you mean, or something else?

If so, sure we used to run on far less back in the day, but IMO unless
you are talking special vision needs, assume 1280 minimal. I know I'm
a freak with the 2048, but 1024 and you are just talking too crowded
in this day and age. And CHUNKY on a 30". That's gotta be what... like
60ppi.


Posted by Jude on April 30, 2007, 4:49 pm

>> Does anybody have a 30" Monitor to do their CAD work and what is your
>> level
>> of satisfaction?
>
> I don't. If that's all you care about, you can stop reading here.

I'm not sure what you mean "if that all you care about." I have hand drawn
for a long time and got used to being able to read different information n a
regular sheet size without having to zoom twice in to something and then
zoom twice out and then compare what I saw on the first 2 zooms to other
information on the drawings that I have to AGAIN zoom in and then out, on
and on.

A bigger monitor, as long as the resolution is correct, is always better on
the eyes and ability to read more information on drawing without zooming.
>
> I have a 21" tube which I adore. Run the thing at 2048 x 1536 pixels
> and if I'm tired really should switch the UI to "big buttons".

I have a 19" and I don't adore it.

> There is still aliasing (I work light on black, unlike some Don's I
> could name) but it's fine grained enough not to be a distraction. The
> details don't smoosh together into bright blobs at reasonable levels
> of zoom out. That's something of an aesthetics issue, but I prefer to
> look at drawings that look like drawing not greeking.
>
> I used a 19" tube at 1600 x 1200 at the office for five years and it
> was... perfectly adequate.

Well, we obviously don't agree on what's adequate. I'll say that it
WORKABLE. One can do the work but it is far from the best experience.

> When the drivers for the 21" permitted 2048 pixels I suddenly found
> myself not maximizing my applications as much. I generally keep n apps
> open and would alt-tab between them. Now I keep the big apps (cad, 3d,
> painting) un maximized with bits of others showing to be monitored
> visually and grabbed by mouse (if that's what suits me at that
> moment). For apps like Photoshop (ok, ok, I'm using Elements) with
> unconstrained child palettes, I move them outside the app.
>
> I do keep a second tube around (currently a dump find... looks like
> maybe a 17", running at... whatever suits me. 1280 if I want the real
> estate. I was running at 800 the other day because the Illustrate
> options are pickyass in small type and the extra distance to the side
> monitor isn't good). Had a task correcting some drawings based on
> PDFed scans of faxes of field sketches. CAD on one tube, PDF on the
> other. Yeah, I have to turn my head a bit but it's better than
> switching windows to front on the one tube, imo. ymmv.
>
> There are times, less so with the monitor in a lower position than a
> higher one, when schlepping all the way across the monitor for a
> button or menu gets to be a distraction. UI people have a 2 second
> rule for responsiveness. There may be an n inch rule for head turning.
> And that is the issue. It's a head movment not just an eye flick. It
> probably wouldn't be as bad if I didn't wear glasses which put the
> nose piece right between my right eye and the upper left corner ;-).
> Still, it may be a consideration. Makes you learn the keyboard
> commands and that's good for you. Builds character. Increases
> employability.
>
> If you're running a wide 30" then I can see putting up CAD here and
> reference material next to it, or getting a better view of a web page
> or using more of them new fangled palette thingies (which I'm finally
> getting around to integrating into my workflow usefully). Or keeping
> the properties panel open ALL the time. Or properties AND palettes!
>
> I had a... musta been a 17" flat running at ... some stupid low cheap
> LCD pixel count at the last job. That was not enough. In order to work
> smoothly I had to print out those floor plans on real paper. And
> that's one of the problems I have with the LCDs. You want how much
> money for how much screen that will run how few pixels (and look how
> marginal)?
>
>> The resolution checks out with AutoCAD's suggestions on their site.
>
> I could only find:
>
> 1024x768 VGA with True Color (more under Vista)
>
> Is that what you mean, or something else?
>
> If so, sure we used to run on far less back in the day, but IMO unless
> you are talking special vision needs, assume 1280 minimal. I know I'm
> a freak with the 2048, but 1024 and you are just talking too crowded
> in this day and age. And CHUNKY on a 30". That's gotta be what... like
> 60ppi.


>



Posted by gruhn on April 30, 2007, 9:38 pm
> >> Does anybody have a 30" Monitor to do their CAD work and what is your
> >> level of satisfaction?

> > I don't. If that's all you care about, you can stop reading here.

> I'm not sure what you mean "if that all you care about."

"Do you have a 30" monitor?" "No."

Everything there after addressed _not_ a 30" monitor. If you only care
about 30" monitors then prattling on about 17" monitors would be of
you use to you.

And some people will actually whine if you try to help beyond their
specific perceived cares. So I try to pre-empt them. The lurkers still
might learn something.

> Well, we obviously don't agree on what's adequate. I'll say that it
> WORKABLE. One can do the work but it is far from the best experience.

Obviously. I think "adequate" means "adequate" and "best experience"
doesn't. You appear to conflate the terms.


Posted by Jude Alexander on May 1, 2007, 5:21 pm

>> >> Does anybody have a 30" Monitor to do their CAD work and what is your
>> >> level of satisfaction?
>
>> > I don't. If that's all you care about, you can stop reading here.
>
>> I'm not sure what you mean "if that all you care about."
>
> "Do you have a 30" monitor?" "No."
>
> Everything there after addressed _not_ a 30" monitor. If you only care
> about 30" monitors then prattling on about 17" monitors would be of
> you use to you.
>
> And some people will actually whine if you try to help beyond their
> specific perceived cares. So I try to pre-empt them. The lurkers still
> might learn something.
>
>> Well, we obviously don't agree on what's adequate. I'll say that it
>> WORKABLE. One can do the work but it is far from the best experience.
>
> Obviously. I think "adequate" means "adequate" and "best experience"
> doesn't. You appear to conflate the terms.

Well, I'm actually typing with my 30" Dell Monitor right now. I thought I
may have problems with the resolution but with all the control Windows gives
you in font and type size, I've managed to correct the "tight" resolution in
order to avoid "pixilation" (or however it's speleed). I've also started a
new project and it's totally awesome. I'm able to read door and window
schedules and look over at the drawing and see the door and window marks. I
can actually proofread like that without zooming in and in and then out and
out in one area to proofread in another part of the drawing when I had to
zoom in and in and then out and out again. With many functions, I only have
to zoom in once. AutoCAD also allows large icons and with all the icons to
the left and right of the drawing (vs above) I get the maximum size of the
drawing to the extends.

But the way, I didn't "conflate" the terminology, jerk. Oh, and bye bye
now. I'm having an AWESOME AUTOCAD EXPERIENCE! If you want to spend
$1,400, you too overcome having an ADEQUATE experience and experience
AutoCAD like it should be experienced..



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