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Posted by EDS on February 18, 2008, 12:37 pm



>
>>
>>>
>>>> As my house projects progresses before I cover things (walls, slabs
>>>> etc..) I would like to keep a record of where things are.
>>>>
>>>> I already have a floor plan in a DGN file inside MicroStation that I am
>>>> working on, and all my framing plans are done that way.
>>>>
>>>> Now that I have done some major relocation of drains etc...what is the
>>>> best way to add that detail into CAD?
>>>>
>>>> I am thinking of just getting up to a high ladder and take a picture
>>>> from high up, then import the image into CAD, find two known points
>>>> (room corners) and scale/move the image to the right location in
>>>> relation to the my floor plan, and simply sketch in the drainsand
>>>> electrical system, won't be accurate but should be close enough for my
>>>> use, beats measuring every end of every pipe and elbows and fittings.
>>>>
>>>> Is there an easier way?
>>>>
>>>> MC
>>>
>>> As far as the CAD part goes, the only accurate way is to measure,
>>> sketch, then draw it on the CAD.
>>> I'm not sure you need to know where every single angle of pipe is
>>> located though.
>>> Drains, vents and that sort of thing, yeah, draw em in.
>>> But good pictures will go a long way if there's an issue on down the
>>> line.
>>> Take as many as you feel comfortable with and pay attention to your
>>> lighting, then organize them into folders for each room.
>>> If you then convert your CAD floorplan to a pdf you can put hotlinks in
>>> each room that will associate with each group of pictures.
>>> Sort of like interior elevations, but with pix instead of drawings.
>>> Remember, you can't have too many pictures, and with a digicam they are
>>> free.
>>> Also, consider doing a video of the whole thing, with zooms for the
>>> close detail stuff, etc.
>>>
>> yes I am taking lots of picture on each stage of the project.
>>
>> I think I have enough pictures that I can do a drill down - if I ever
>> sell this house I can set up a floor plan when the potential buyers look
>> at a room, then zoom in they see the tile on the floor, further zoom
>> shows the slab behind it, then the slab removed showing the compacted
>> sand, then the PVC drains...may freak people out lol.
>
> Im my FL house there is a decorative column in the dining room that is
> hollow.
> Inside it is a set of as built drawings as well as the original building
> permit blueprint and all the permits, material and labor receipts, all of
> it, in a 6" dia PVC pipe with glued end caps.
> I never told the new owners about it.
> Maybe Bob Vila's great grandson will find it someday on *This Old House
> 2099*.

Great!
In the 60's we were remodeling a Cambridge private school. When some books
were being removed from a bookcase, the case suddenly opened, inside was a
room about 8x8, with a chest. In the chest was only a set of original
blueprints.
EDS



Posted by EDS on February 18, 2008, 2:42 pm



>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> As my house projects progresses before I cover things (walls, slabs
>>>>>> etc..) I would like to keep a record of where things are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I already have a floor plan in a DGN file inside MicroStation that I
>>>>>> am working on, and all my framing plans are done that way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that I have done some major relocation of drains etc...what is
>>>>>> the best way to add that detail into CAD?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am thinking of just getting up to a high ladder and take a picture
>>>>>> from high up, then import the image into CAD, find two known points
>>>>>> (room corners) and scale/move the image to the right location in
>>>>>> relation to the my floor plan, and simply sketch in the drainsand
>>>>>> electrical system, won't be accurate but should be close enough for
>>>>>> my use, beats measuring every end of every pipe and elbows and
>>>>>> fittings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there an easier way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MC
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as the CAD part goes, the only accurate way is to measure,
>>>>> sketch, then draw it on the CAD.
>>>>> I'm not sure you need to know where every single angle of pipe is
>>>>> located though.
>>>>> Drains, vents and that sort of thing, yeah, draw em in.
>>>>> But good pictures will go a long way if there's an issue on down the
>>>>> line.
>>>>> Take as many as you feel comfortable with and pay attention to your
>>>>> lighting, then organize them into folders for each room.
>>>>> If you then convert your CAD floorplan to a pdf you can put hotlinks
>>>>> in each room that will associate with each group of pictures.
>>>>> Sort of like interior elevations, but with pix instead of drawings.
>>>>> Remember, you can't have too many pictures, and with a digicam they
>>>>> are free.
>>>>> Also, consider doing a video of the whole thing, with zooms for the
>>>>> close detail stuff, etc.
>>>>>
>>>> yes I am taking lots of picture on each stage of the project.
>>>>
>>>> I think I have enough pictures that I can do a drill down - if I ever
>>>> sell this house I can set up a floor plan when the potential buyers
>>>> look at a room, then zoom in they see the tile on the floor, further
>>>> zoom shows the slab behind it, then the slab removed showing the
>>>> compacted sand, then the PVC drains...may freak people out lol.
>>>
>>> Im my FL house there is a decorative column in the dining room that is
>>> hollow.
>>> Inside it is a set of as built drawings as well as the original building
>>> permit blueprint and all the permits, material and labor receipts, all
>>> of it, in a 6" dia PVC pipe with glued end caps.
>>> I never told the new owners about it.
>>> Maybe Bob Vila's great grandson will find it someday on *This Old House
>>> 2099*.
>>
>> Great!
>> In the 60's we were remodeling a Cambridge private school. When some
>> books were being removed from a bookcase, the case suddenly opened,
>> inside was a room about 8x8, with a chest. In the chest was only a set of
>> original blueprints.
>> EDS
>
> With each wall I tear out of the bathroom I keep hoping one of the
> carpenters put something inside the wall, even if its just a beer bottle.
> But alas the last wall was removed yesterday and nothing was there.
> <sniff>
> As a matter of routine builders should put stuff in the walls of the
> things they build for future habitants surprise factor.
I agree. When we were remodeling the Boston house we found a cylindrical
tin lunch pail in a wall with the very dried remains of a lunch. Still have
it. That house was built in 1859. When we added walls we put ours and the
kids names within the walls. Gives the place some history. My present house
has a closet door jamb with the heights of the family children from about
1900 to 1984.
EDS



Posted by Warm Worm on February 18, 2008, 6:21 pm
EDS wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> As my house projects progresses before I cover things (walls, slabs
>>>>>>> etc..) I would like to keep a record of where things are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I already have a floor plan in a DGN file inside MicroStation that I
>>>>>>> am working on, and all my framing plans are done that way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now that I have done some major relocation of drains etc...what is
>>>>>>> the best way to add that detail into CAD?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am thinking of just getting up to a high ladder and take a picture
>>>>>>> from high up, then import the image into CAD, find two known points
>>>>>>> (room corners) and scale/move the image to the right location in
>>>>>>> relation to the my floor plan, and simply sketch in the drainsand
>>>>>>> electrical system, won't be accurate but should be close enough for
>>>>>>> my use, beats measuring every end of every pipe and elbows and
>>>>>>> fittings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there an easier way?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MC
>>>>>> As far as the CAD part goes, the only accurate way is to measure,
>>>>>> sketch, then draw it on the CAD.
>>>>>> I'm not sure you need to know where every single angle of pipe is
>>>>>> located though.
>>>>>> Drains, vents and that sort of thing, yeah, draw em in.
>>>>>> But good pictures will go a long way if there's an issue on down the
>>>>>> line.
>>>>>> Take as many as you feel comfortable with and pay attention to your
>>>>>> lighting, then organize them into folders for each room.
>>>>>> If you then convert your CAD floorplan to a pdf you can put hotlinks
>>>>>> in each room that will associate with each group of pictures.
>>>>>> Sort of like interior elevations, but with pix instead of drawings.
>>>>>> Remember, you can't have too many pictures, and with a digicam they
>>>>>> are free.
>>>>>> Also, consider doing a video of the whole thing, with zooms for the
>>>>>> close detail stuff, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>> yes I am taking lots of picture on each stage of the project.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I have enough pictures that I can do a drill down - if I ever
>>>>> sell this house I can set up a floor plan when the potential buyers
>>>>> look at a room, then zoom in they see the tile on the floor, further
>>>>> zoom shows the slab behind it, then the slab removed showing the
>>>>> compacted sand, then the PVC drains...may freak people out lol.
>>>> Im my FL house there is a decorative column in the dining room that is
>>>> hollow.
>>>> Inside it is a set of as built drawings as well as the original building
>>>> permit blueprint and all the permits, material and labor receipts, all
>>>> of it, in a 6" dia PVC pipe with glued end caps.
>>>> I never told the new owners about it.
>>>> Maybe Bob Vila's great grandson will find it someday on *This Old House
>>>> 2099*.
>>> Great!
>>> In the 60's we were remodeling a Cambridge private school. When some
>>> books were being removed from a bookcase, the case suddenly opened,
>>> inside was a room about 8x8, with a chest. In the chest was only a set of
>>> original blueprints.
>>> EDS
>> With each wall I tear out of the bathroom I keep hoping one of the
>> carpenters put something inside the wall, even if its just a beer bottle.
>> But alas the last wall was removed yesterday and nothing was there.
>> <sniff>
>> As a matter of routine builders should put stuff in the walls of the
>> things they build for future habitants surprise factor.
> I agree. When we were remodeling the Boston house we found a cylindrical
> tin lunch pail in a wall with the very dried remains of a lunch. Still have
> it. That house was built in 1859. When we added walls we put ours and the
> kids names within the walls. Gives the place some history. My present house
> has a closet door jamb with the heights of the family children from about
> 1900 to 1984.

I like stuff like that too...

This fantasy has cross my mind before of having the backs of one or two
of my teeth-- or something permanent even beyond my body, like in some
storage medium within a wall-- laser-engraved with a working model of my
DNA or whatever info that would be required.
Presumably if there was no blood-sample, future technology might still
be able to synthesize the DNA of a person from a good model.
Imagine being born and growing up to be told how you came into being...
that your father wasn't really your father and that your clone isn't
really your clone, but your design-blueprint of/from someone who lived
500 years ago. That you were essentially synthesized.
It might make for a cool sci-fi movie that dealt with the sensations,
complications, ethics and so forth behind that.

Posted by Kris Krieger on February 19, 2008, 4:46 pm

>
>> EDS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As my house projects progresses before I cover things (walls,
>>>>>>>>> slabs etc..) I would like to keep a record of where things
>>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I already have a floor plan in a DGN file inside MicroStation
>>>>>>>>> that I am working on, and all my framing plans are done that
>>>>>>>>> way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now that I have done some major relocation of drains
>>>>>>>>> etc...what is the best way to add that detail into CAD?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am thinking of just getting up to a high ladder and take a
>>>>>>>>> picture from high up, then import the image into CAD, find two
>>>>>>>>> known points (room corners) and scale/move the image to the
>>>>>>>>> right location in relation to the my floor plan, and simply
>>>>>>>>> sketch in the drainsand electrical system, won't be accurate
>>>>>>>>> but should be close enough for my use, beats measuring every
>>>>>>>>> end of every pipe and elbows and fittings.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there an easier way?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> MC
>>>>>>>> As far as the CAD part goes, the only accurate way is to
>>>>>>>> measure, sketch, then draw it on the CAD.
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure you need to know where every single angle of pipe
>>>>>>>> is located though.
>>>>>>>> Drains, vents and that sort of thing, yeah, draw em in.
>>>>>>>> But good pictures will go a long way if there's an issue on
>>>>>>>> down the line.
>>>>>>>> Take as many as you feel comfortable with and pay attention to
>>>>>>>> your lighting, then organize them into folders for each room.
>>>>>>>> If you then convert your CAD floorplan to a pdf you can put
>>>>>>>> hotlinks in each room that will associate with each group of
>>>>>>>> pictures. Sort of like interior elevations, but with pix
>>>>>>>> instead of drawings. Remember, you can't have too many
>>>>>>>> pictures, and with a digicam they are free.
>>>>>>>> Also, consider doing a video of the whole thing, with zooms for
>>>>>>>> the close detail stuff, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes I am taking lots of picture on each stage of the project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think I have enough pictures that I can do a drill down - if I
>>>>>>> ever sell this house I can set up a floor plan when the
>>>>>>> potential buyers look at a room, then zoom in they see the tile
>>>>>>> on the floor, further zoom shows the slab behind it, then the
>>>>>>> slab removed showing the compacted sand, then the PVC
>>>>>>> drains...may freak people out lol.
>>>>>> Im my FL house there is a decorative column in the dining room
>>>>>> that is hollow.
>>>>>> Inside it is a set of as built drawings as well as the original
>>>>>> building permit blueprint and all the permits, material and labor
>>>>>> receipts, all of it, in a 6" dia PVC pipe with glued end caps.
>>>>>> I never told the new owners about it.
>>>>>> Maybe Bob Vila's great grandson will find it someday on *This Old
>>>>>> House 2099*.
>>>>> Great!
>>>>> In the 60's we were remodeling a Cambridge private school. When
>>>>> some books were being removed from a bookcase, the case suddenly
>>>>> opened, inside was a room about 8x8, with a chest. In the chest
>>>>> was only a set of original blueprints.
>>>>> EDS
>>>> With each wall I tear out of the bathroom I keep hoping one of the
>>>> carpenters put something inside the wall, even if its just a beer
>>>> bottle.
>>>> But alas the last wall was removed yesterday and nothing was there.
>>>> <sniff>
>>>> As a matter of routine builders should put stuff in the walls of
>>>> the things they build for future habitants surprise factor.
>>> I agree. When we were remodeling the Boston house we found a
>>> cylindrical tin lunch pail in a wall with the very dried remains of
>>> a lunch. Still have it. That house was built in 1859. When we added
>>> walls we put ours and the kids names within the walls. Gives the
>>> place some history. My present house has a closet door jamb with the
>>> heights of the family children from about 1900 to 1984.
>>
>> I like stuff like that too...
>>
>> This fantasy has cross my mind before of having the backs of one or
>> two of my teeth-- or something permanent even beyond my body, like in
>> some storage medium within a wall-- laser-engraved with a working
>> model of my DNA or whatever info that would be required.
>> Presumably if there was no blood-sample, future technology might
>> still be able to synthesize the DNA of a person from a good model.
>> Imagine being born and growing up to be told how you came into
>> being... that your father wasn't really your father and that your
>> clone isn't really your clone, but your design-blueprint of/from
>> someone who lived 500 years ago. That you were essentially
>> synthesized. It might make for a cool sci-fi movie that dealt with
>> the sensations, complications, ethics and so forth behind that.
>
> By the time they are able to do that the concept of fathers and
> mothers will be ancient news.
> Its already well into that direction already.
> In the bigger picture, does it matter whom ones father and mother is?

Esp. if one's parents are abusive a-holes. We hear all the pollyanna
stuff from these "family values" types, as though theer is not, was
never, will never be, parents who are littel more to their kids than rat
dung.

> Perhaps having a father and a mother is a hindrance to personal
> achievment? If one didn't have such things the mind is freed,
> emotionally and psychologically, for other things.

In the case of people who are chromosome donors and little (if anything)
else to their kids, what you say is precisely true.

But not in the case of good parents.

> I've been wondering about these things lately because a few weeks ago
> a human suddenly sprang up from my distant past, always unknown to me,
> now, looming larger than life.
> She seeks information in her foundation, as it was discarded from the
> beginning and her life was somewhat suspended and then rebuilt from
> the ashes.
> I can build lines on papers and I can build sticks and rocks into
> habitats but can I build a life, from memory and imagination?
> I don't know, but thats what been asked of me......

THat's a biggie, Don. FWLIW, in a sense, we all have to build out lives,
but some people stat with a good foundation, and som of us basicalyl get
a few crapped-up cinder blocks and not too much else. IOW, it is *all* a
building/growing process - so maybe you can take heart to some extent
from that...? I don't even know how to talk abotu such a situation in
"real" terms. It'd be like trying to limn an unseen river, bridge two
shores when each is hidden by forest and fog. All you can do is tart
with what is known to you, and build slowly, carefully corbelling to arch
the expanse of the unknown - that's all I can say, becasue that's all I
know.

>
> My french webclient bailed and simultaneously I now have some Katrina
> clients and more texans desire some creative concepts.
> Life is good and getting bettah all the time.

That, at least, is good ;)




Posted by MiamiCuse on February 19, 2008, 12:15 am

>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> As my house projects progresses before I cover things (walls, slabs
>>>>>> etc..) I would like to keep a record of where things are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I already have a floor plan in a DGN file inside MicroStation that I
>>>>>> am working on, and all my framing plans are done that way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that I have done some major relocation of drains etc...what is
>>>>>> the best way to add that detail into CAD?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am thinking of just getting up to a high ladder and take a picture
>>>>>> from high up, then import the image into CAD, find two known points
>>>>>> (room corners) and scale/move the image to the right location in
>>>>>> relation to the my floor plan, and simply sketch in the drainsand
>>>>>> electrical system, won't be accurate but should be close enough for
>>>>>> my use, beats measuring every end of every pipe and elbows and
>>>>>> fittings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there an easier way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MC
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as the CAD part goes, the only accurate way is to measure,
>>>>> sketch, then draw it on the CAD.
>>>>> I'm not sure you need to know where every single angle of pipe is
>>>>> located though.
>>>>> Drains, vents and that sort of thing, yeah, draw em in.
>>>>> But good pictures will go a long way if there's an issue on down the
>>>>> line.
>>>>> Take as many as you feel comfortable with and pay attention to your
>>>>> lighting, then organize them into folders for each room.
>>>>> If you then convert your CAD floorplan to a pdf you can put hotlinks
>>>>> in each room that will associate with each group of pictures.
>>>>> Sort of like interior elevations, but with pix instead of drawings.
>>>>> Remember, you can't have too many pictures, and with a digicam they
>>>>> are free.
>>>>> Also, consider doing a video of the whole thing, with zooms for the
>>>>> close detail stuff, etc.
>>>>>
>>>> yes I am taking lots of picture on each stage of the project.
>>>>
>>>> I think I have enough pictures that I can do a drill down - if I ever
>>>> sell this house I can set up a floor plan when the potential buyers
>>>> look at a room, then zoom in they see the tile on the floor, further
>>>> zoom shows the slab behind it, then the slab removed showing the
>>>> compacted sand, then the PVC drains...may freak people out lol.
>>>
>>> Im my FL house there is a decorative column in the dining room that is
>>> hollow.
>>> Inside it is a set of as built drawings as well as the original building
>>> permit blueprint and all the permits, material and labor receipts, all
>>> of it, in a 6" dia PVC pipe with glued end caps.
>>> I never told the new owners about it.
>>> Maybe Bob Vila's great grandson will find it someday on *This Old House
>>> 2099*.
>>
>> Great!
>> In the 60's we were remodeling a Cambridge private school. When some
>> books were being removed from a bookcase, the case suddenly opened,
>> inside was a room about 8x8, with a chest. In the chest was only a set of
>> original blueprints.
>> EDS
>
> With each wall I tear out of the bathroom I keep hoping one of the
> carpenters put something inside the wall, even if its just a beer bottle.
> But alas the last wall was removed yesterday and nothing was there.
> <sniff>
> As a matter of routine builders should put stuff in the walls of the
> things they build for future habitants surprise factor.
>
The house I am remodeling now, the previous owner left me a safe 36" wide
safe. No combinations, he is in a nursing home with his memory faded, I
have not yet attempted to open it, it's sitting in a corner. Every
contractor that came asked me what's in it and I told them I have no clue.
May be the blue prints are in it, 36" wide is perfect for D-size.



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