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Posted by Michael Bulatovich on July 3, 2007, 10:26 am

>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> > Who's the editor of the alt.architecture group? It seems that people
>>>> > talk more about subjects having little to do with architecture. What
>>>> > kind of architecture is the group supposed to discuss? The design-
>>>> > oriented kind, or what?
>>>> > Here are some of the less than entralling subjects:
>>>>
>>>> > I buyed me sum tomato-basil hummus.
>>>> > Folk songs of the far right wing
>>>> > Hummus is simpler than even making donuts
>>>> > Genuine Money Earn Every day Internet jobs for all. Earn Unlimited
>>>> > income.
>>>>
>>>> > What?
>>>>
>>>> > To steer the discussion in some more meaningful way for architects,
>>>> > here's my contribution:
>>>>
>>>> > What is the difference between folk and vernacular architecture? Are
>>>> > McMansions our culture's new vernacular? Is everyone familiar with
>>>> > the term "McMansion?"
>>>>
>>>> > How has the "one world, one culture" reality affected the traditions
>>>> > of local communities?
>>>>
>>>> There is no "editor" for a newsgroup. I am the moderator. I must
>>>> insist that you cease such attacks against the posters to this
>>>> newsgroup. It is ynwarranted. Hummus is a vernacular food and
>>>> addresses different cultures and their cooking traditions and thereby
>>>> kitchen and restaurant design, folk songs often highlight a buildings
>>>> acoustic properties, and income...well, I don't know what that one's
>>>> about. Must have slipped by me.
>>>>
>>>> Please refrain from disruptive posting or your posts will be deleted.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you
>>>>
>>>> Moderatus Unanimous- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> OK- you're in charge... stretch it as thin as you must. Do you have
>>> any response from an architectural viewpoint to the second half of my
>>> post?
>>
>> I'll respond to your trad vs mod hook when you respond to my 2 hour fire
>> rating question, how's that?
>>
>> You want to talk architecture? Here's your chance. Find me something for
>> these ducts other than concrete that can span 7 feet without hanging.
>> --
>>
> Depends on how much the ducts themselves can span, you tell me. Then I
> will tell you what to use and the spacing.
> You can try structural beams with designed penetration openings if your
> ducts can span 7 feet or longer.

Ducts haven't been designed yet but the usual spans only a couple of feet.
The span is only part of the problem. The rating is the other. Right now I'm
leaning to a shaftwall enclosure sitting on an HSS bridge spanning the stair
shaft. It's not the thinnest I can do but it's the fastest.
--


MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca



Posted by Chuck on July 3, 2007, 3:19 am

>>
>> Who's the editor of the alt.architecture group? It seems that people
>> talk more about subjects having little to do with architecture. What
>> kind of architecture is the group supposed to discuss? The design-
>> oriented kind, or what?
>> Here are some of the less than entralling subjects:
>>
>> I buyed me sum tomato-basil hummus.
>> Folk songs of the far right wing
>> Hummus is simpler than even making donuts
>> Genuine Money Earn Every day Internet jobs for all. Earn Unlimited
>> income.
>>
>> What?
>>
>> To steer the discussion in some more meaningful way for architects,
>> here's my contribution:
>>
>> What is the difference between folk and vernacular architecture? Are
>> McMansions our culture's new vernacular? Is everyone familiar with
>> the term "McMansion?"
>>
>> How has the "one world, one culture" reality affected the traditions
>> of local communities?
>
> There is no "editor" for a newsgroup. I am the moderator. I must
> insist that you cease such attacks against the posters to this
> newsgroup. It is ynwarranted. Hummus is a vernacular food and
> addresses different cultures and their cooking traditions and thereby
> kitchen and restaurant design, folk songs often highlight a buildings
> acoustic properties, and income...well, I don't know what that one's
> about. Must have slipped by me.
>
> Please refrain from disruptive posting or your posts will be deleted.
>
> Thank you
>
> Moderatus Unanimous
>

The fellow is correct. About 10 % posts are actually architecture. What I
do is just scan some of the posts a little and if they are not architectural
I close them out. Once in a while you might get a really good thread. He
didn't do attacks (plural) he did it once. I have read this newsgroup for
many years and seems to never change. Do a survey, ask how many posters are
registered architects.

Sorry Mr. Moderator.



Posted by RicodJour on July 3, 2007, 10:04 am
>
> >> Who's the editor of the alt.architecture group? It seems that people
> >> talk more about subjects having little to do with architecture. What
> >> kind of architecture is the group supposed to discuss? The design-
> >> oriented kind, or what?
> >> Here are some of the less than entralling subjects:
>
> >> I buyed me sum tomato-basil hummus.
> >> Folk songs of the far right wing
> >> Hummus is simpler than even making donuts
> >> Genuine Money Earn Every day Internet jobs for all. Earn Unlimited
> >> income.
>
> >> What?
>
> >> To steer the discussion in some more meaningful way for architects,
> >> here's my contribution:
>
> >> What is the difference between folk and vernacular architecture? Are
> >> McMansions our culture's new vernacular? Is everyone familiar with
> >> the term "McMansion?"
>
> >> How has the "one world, one culture" reality affected the traditions
> >> of local communities?
>
> > There is no "editor" for a newsgroup. I am the moderator. I must
> > insist that you cease such attacks against the posters to this
> > newsgroup. It is unwarranted. Hummus is a vernacular food and
> > addresses different cultures and their cooking traditions and thereby
> > kitchen and restaurant design, folk songs often highlight a buildings
> > acoustic properties, and income...well, I don't know what that one's
> > about. Must have slipped by me.
>
> > Please refrain from disruptive posting or your posts will be deleted.
>
> > Thank you
>
> > Moderatus Unanimous
>
> The fellow is correct. About 10 % posts are actually architecture. What I
> do is just scan some of the posts a little and if they are not architectural
> I close them out.

Except this one?

> Once in a while you might get a really good thread.

In your opinion?

> He didn't do attacks (plural) he did it once.

He mentioned four different threads - three by regulars.

> I have read this newsgroup for many years and seems to never change.

And...?

> Do a survey, ask how many posters are registered architects.

And...?

> Sorry Mr. Moderator.

I prefer the title of Moderatus Unanimous, thank you very much.

How a particular newsgroup operates, and what the regulars choose to
discuss is pretty much up to them, isn't it? Your crossposting of an
existing thread to other newsgroups that have nothing to do with the
original group/post is troubling. You mentioned that if the post was
not architectural you closed it out. What prompted you to crosspost
this particular one? Are you looking to publicize something, maybe
garner support and "straighten" out a newsgroup you barely show up
on? Usenet is either a sandbox, soapbox, or free-for-all, depending
on how you look at it. If you want control, feel free to start your
own web site or blog.

I don't mean to be overly harsh, but I don't understand what it is
that you think you're trying to accomplish. I do know that - whatever
it is - you're unlikely to achieve a favorable outcome if your proceed
in this manner.

R


Posted by Chuck on July 4, 2007, 4:07 am

>>
>> >> Who's the editor of the alt.architecture group? It seems that people
>> >> talk more about subjects having little to do with architecture. What
>> >> kind of architecture is the group supposed to discuss? The design-
>> >> oriented kind, or what?
>> >> Here are some of the less than entralling subjects:
>>
>> >> I buyed me sum tomato-basil hummus.
>> >> Folk songs of the far right wing
>> >> Hummus is simpler than even making donuts
>> >> Genuine Money Earn Every day Internet jobs for all. Earn Unlimited
>> >> income.
>>
>> >> What?
>>
>> >> To steer the discussion in some more meaningful way for architects,
>> >> here's my contribution:
>>
>> >> What is the difference between folk and vernacular architecture? Are
>> >> McMansions our culture's new vernacular? Is everyone familiar with
>> >> the term "McMansion?"
>>
>> >> How has the "one world, one culture" reality affected the traditions
>> >> of local communities?
>>
>> > There is no "editor" for a newsgroup. I am the moderator. I must
>> > insist that you cease such attacks against the posters to this
>> > newsgroup. It is unwarranted. Hummus is a vernacular food and
>> > addresses different cultures and their cooking traditions and thereby
>> > kitchen and restaurant design, folk songs often highlight a buildings
>> > acoustic properties, and income...well, I don't know what that one's
>> > about. Must have slipped by me.
>>
>> > Please refrain from disruptive posting or your posts will be deleted.
>>
>> > Thank you
>>
>> > Moderatus Unanimous
>>
>> The fellow is correct. About 10 % posts are actually architecture. What
>> I
>> do is just scan some of the posts a little and if they are not
>> architectural
>> I close them out.
>
> Except this one?
>
>> Once in a while you might get a really good thread.
>
> In your opinion?
>
>> He didn't do attacks (plural) he did it once.
>
> He mentioned four different threads - three by regulars.
>
>> I have read this newsgroup for many years and seems to never change.
>
> And...?
>
>> Do a survey, ask how many posters are registered architects.
>
> And...?
>
>> Sorry Mr. Moderator.
>
> I prefer the title of Moderatus Unanimous, thank you very much.
>
> How a particular newsgroup operates, and what the regulars choose to
> discuss is pretty much up to them, isn't it? Your crossposting of an
> existing thread to other newsgroups that have nothing to do with the
> original group/post is troubling. You mentioned that if the post was
> not architectural you closed it out. What prompted you to crosspost
> this particular one? Are you looking to publicize something, maybe
> garner support and "straighten" out a newsgroup you barely show up
> on? Usenet is either a sandbox, soapbox, or free-for-all, depending
> on how you look at it. If you want control, feel free to start your
> own web site or blog.
>
> I don't mean to be overly harsh, but I don't understand what it is
> that you think you're trying to accomplish. I do know that - whatever
> it is - you're unlikely to achieve a favorable outcome if your proceed
> in this manner.
>

You probably know this but there are many newsgroups that actually discuss
and post items according to their name and intent. There is no other
newsgroup that claims to discuss architecture, that is really sad.
Discussing objects that pertain to a profession or projects they might be
working on, or, questions on why things happen within your profession seems
helpful to me.

CID...



Posted by Michael Bulatovich on July 4, 2007, 8:25 am

>
>>>
>>> >> Who's the editor of the alt.architecture group? It seems that people
>>> >> talk more about subjects having little to do with architecture. What
>>> >> kind of architecture is the group supposed to discuss? The design-
>>> >> oriented kind, or what?
>>> >> Here are some of the less than entralling subjects:
>>>
>>> >> I buyed me sum tomato-basil hummus.
>>> >> Folk songs of the far right wing
>>> >> Hummus is simpler than even making donuts
>>> >> Genuine Money Earn Every day Internet jobs for all. Earn Unlimited
>>> >> income.
>>>
>>> >> What?
>>>
>>> >> To steer the discussion in some more meaningful way for architects,
>>> >> here's my contribution:
>>>
>>> >> What is the difference between folk and vernacular architecture? Are
>>> >> McMansions our culture's new vernacular? Is everyone familiar with
>>> >> the term "McMansion?"
>>>
>>> >> How has the "one world, one culture" reality affected the traditions
>>> >> of local communities?
>>>
>>> > There is no "editor" for a newsgroup. I am the moderator. I must
>>> > insist that you cease such attacks against the posters to this
>>> > newsgroup. It is unwarranted. Hummus is a vernacular food and
>>> > addresses different cultures and their cooking traditions and thereby
>>> > kitchen and restaurant design, folk songs often highlight a buildings
>>> > acoustic properties, and income...well, I don't know what that one's
>>> > about. Must have slipped by me.
>>>
>>> > Please refrain from disruptive posting or your posts will be deleted.
>>>
>>> > Thank you
>>>
>>> > Moderatus Unanimous
>>>
>>> The fellow is correct. About 10 % posts are actually architecture.
>>> What I
>>> do is just scan some of the posts a little and if they are not
>>> architectural
>>> I close them out.
>>
>> Except this one?
>>
>>> Once in a while you might get a really good thread.
>>
>> In your opinion?
>>
>>> He didn't do attacks (plural) he did it once.
>>
>> He mentioned four different threads - three by regulars.
>>
>>> I have read this newsgroup for many years and seems to never change.
>>
>> And...?
>>
>>> Do a survey, ask how many posters are registered architects.
>>
>> And...?
>>
>>> Sorry Mr. Moderator.
>>
>> I prefer the title of Moderatus Unanimous, thank you very much.
>>
>> How a particular newsgroup operates, and what the regulars choose to
>> discuss is pretty much up to them, isn't it? Your crossposting of an
>> existing thread to other newsgroups that have nothing to do with the
>> original group/post is troubling. You mentioned that if the post was
>> not architectural you closed it out. What prompted you to crosspost
>> this particular one? Are you looking to publicize something, maybe
>> garner support and "straighten" out a newsgroup you barely show up
>> on? Usenet is either a sandbox, soapbox, or free-for-all, depending
>> on how you look at it. If you want control, feel free to start your
>> own web site or blog.
>>
>> I don't mean to be overly harsh, but I don't understand what it is
>> that you think you're trying to accomplish. I do know that - whatever
>> it is - you're unlikely to achieve a favorable outcome if your proceed
>> in this manner.
>>
>
> You probably know this but there are many newsgroups that actually discuss
> and post items according to their name and intent. There is no other
> newsgroup that claims to discuss architecture, that is really sad.
> Discussing objects that pertain to a profession or projects they might be
> working on, or, questions on why things happen within your profession
> seems helpful to me.

You know you're free like the rest to post whatever you want, even if it is
on topic, right? How many threads have you *started* on topic?

Googling "chuck" "cid" and "architecture" doesn't show many if any started
threads.( I confess I didn't dig too deep. )

Your complaint reminds me of the approbations of the "serious" employees at
the most fun office I ever worked in (sic) 20 years ago. We used to carry on
like children when we weren't behaving like professionals. We're all
succeeded in the business, and most of us have our own firms. We still get
together despite kids and companies, because we *enjoy* ourselves. There's
always a good belly laugh.

You can screw around and be an architect at the same time, and I think you
need a sense of humor to get by in this business, as a "little guy" anyway.
Having heard most of it before, there are frankly few conversations, other
than political or technical ones, that could be construed as "architectural"
that I might find really interesting. They are out there, but most so much
of what passes for 'architectural discourse' is pure marketing that I can't
imagine wasting my time on it.

If you've got a burning topic, other than hummus, why not start a thread?
--


MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca



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