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Posted by eds on July 23, 2007, 7:12 pm

>
>>
>>> @k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> What is your take on Frank Lloyd Wright Architecture?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Innovative at the time, inspires a lot of ideas (to me at least),
>>> beautiful
>>> materials, visually rhythmic and often pleasantly (to me)
>>> asymmetrical, yet
>>> balanced; in execution, would not meet todays; standards for
>>> engineering or energy-efficiency.
>>>
>>> I was in Wingspread for a conference once, an dit was definitely "way
>>> cool" ;) , and 've already gone at some length, in the past, about my
>>> experience visiting the Guggenheim; I have several books on FLW's
>>> works and
>>> often look at them. I don't personally take it "lock, stock, and
>>> barrel" so to speak, IOW it is not "my perfect style", but lots of
>>> great visual and
>>> spatial rhythms.
>>
>> I was in Falling Water about 20 years ago. I really liked it, but I'm
>> tall and the door heads were about 6'-2" and constantly brushed my
>> hair. Mr. Kaufman was 6'-4" and must have had permanent bruises on his
>> forehead. EDS
>>
>>
>>
>
> Ouch!
>
> Yes, one problem (IMO) with FLW is that he did often ignore practicality.
> Archetecture can definitely be art, but it first and formost IMO has to be
> practical. WHen you enter Wingspread, for example, you enter through a
> low
> concrete tunnel-like structure. NOw, it *is* tru that, when you emerge
> into the space, it is absolutely breathtaking, because of the scale and
> the
> shape of the space and the light and so on. But the doorway is *so* low,
> taht, yes, no small number of the attendees had to stoop. IMO, that's not
> practical, and I didn't think ti was necessary to make the visual point.
>
> THe thing with a house is that ti is precisely that - a house, a place
> where people live. The trick, as I see it, is to design a beautiful space
> (which, IMO, includes the exterior spaces, the structure, *and* the
> interior spaces) - while at the same time keeping it *liveable*.
>
> SO, yeah, it's very, very mundane to think about getting, say, energy
> efficient windows and then also planning the installation so as to *keep*
> them energy efficient. But that is just the nature of archrtecture. Is
> is
> *not* pure sculpture; a house is more than a prettily-facetted crystal.
>
> It seems to me that the mundanities are actually the most difficult things
> for architects to deal with. A house *will*, at some point, have
> newspapers piled up, tricyles left out, toys scattered in the living room,
> dishes in th esink, laundry ne the bed, and so on. So one fonction of a
> house is to not just be beautifulm, but also begracious in both tolerating
> life's little messes, and in assisting with their organization.
>
> IMO, the problem with many of FLW's houses, as well as the houses of
> others!!, is that they sometimes don't seem to be places where people
> *live*...
Don't just look at those photos! When I worked for a Wrightian Architect in
the 70's, we occasionally set up our completed houses for photo shoots for
publication. I remember one house in RI, where we took down a truckload of
furniture and houseplants, put all the Owner's furniture in one bedroom, had
a cleaning crew in, located the furniture according to the photog's
directions, (look closely, same piece in several rooms) and moved plants
around as required. We even had a model in to sit by the swimming pool.
Costly? Yes, but that spread got us several more large commissions. If a
house looks like a place where no one lives, that's because nobody does at
the time of the photos.
EDS



Posted by Kris Krieger on July 25, 2007, 4:51 pm

>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What is your take on Frank Lloyd Wright Architecture?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Innovative at the time, inspires a lot of ideas (to me at least),
>>>> beautiful
>>>> materials, visually rhythmic and often pleasantly (to me)
>>>> asymmetrical, yet
>>>> balanced; in execution, would not meet todays; standards for
>>>> engineering or energy-efficiency.
>>>>
>>>> I was in Wingspread for a conference once, an dit was definitely
>>>> "way cool" ;) , and 've already gone at some length, in the past,
>>>> about my experience visiting the Guggenheim; I have several books
>>>> on FLW's works and
>>>> often look at them. I don't personally take it "lock, stock, and
>>>> barrel" so to speak, IOW it is not "my perfect style", but lots of
>>>> great visual and
>>>> spatial rhythms.
>>>
>>> I was in Falling Water about 20 years ago. I really liked it, but
>>> I'm tall and the door heads were about 6'-2" and constantly brushed
>>> my hair. Mr. Kaufman was 6'-4" and must have had permanent bruises
>>> on his forehead. EDS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Ouch!
>>
>> Yes, one problem (IMO) with FLW is that he did often ignore
>> practicality. Archetecture can definitely be art, but it first and
>> formost IMO has to be practical. WHen you enter Wingspread, for
>> example, you enter through a low
>> concrete tunnel-like structure. NOw, it *is* tru that, when you
>> emerge into the space, it is absolutely breathtaking, because of the
>> scale and the
>> shape of the space and the light and so on. But the doorway is *so*
>> low, taht, yes, no small number of the attendees had to stoop. IMO,
>> that's not practical, and I didn't think ti was necessary to make the
>> visual point.
>>
>> THe thing with a house is that ti is precisely that - a house, a
>> place where people live. The trick, as I see it, is to design a
>> beautiful space (which, IMO, includes the exterior spaces, the
>> structure, *and* the interior spaces) - while at the same time
>> keeping it *liveable*.
>>
>> SO, yeah, it's very, very mundane to think about getting, say, energy
>> efficient windows and then also planning the installation so as to
>> *keep* them energy efficient. But that is just the nature of
>> archrtecture. Is is
>> *not* pure sculpture; a house is more than a prettily-facetted
>> crystal.
>>
>> It seems to me that the mundanities are actually the most difficult
>> things for architects to deal with. A house *will*, at some point,
>> have newspapers piled up, tricyles left out, toys scattered in the
>> living room, dishes in th esink, laundry ne the bed, and so on. So
>> one fonction of a house is to not just be beautifulm, but also
>> begracious in both tolerating life's little messes, and in assisting
>> with their organization.
>>
>> IMO, the problem with many of FLW's houses, as well as the houses of
>> others!!, is that they sometimes don't seem to be places where people
>> *live*...

> Don't just look at those photos! When I worked for a Wrightian
> Architect in the 70's, we occasionally set up our completed houses for
> photo shoots for publication. I remember one house in RI, where we
> took down a truckload of furniture and houseplants, put all the
> Owner's furniture in one bedroom, had a cleaning crew in, located the
> furniture according to the photog's directions, (look closely, same
> piece in several rooms) and moved plants around as required. We even
> had a model in to sit by the swimming pool. Costly? Yes, but that
> spread got us several more large commissions. If a house looks like a
> place where no one lives, that's because nobody does at the time of
> the photos. EDS

That's an interesting point. Sort of like "staging" a house for sale, I
suppose...

But I also meant some of the interior fixtures and integrated furniture -
some of the furniture looks nifty, but also looks completely
uncomfortable. I'm also not too sure about some of the floorplans - i'm
of course looking at them from a more modern perspective, plus a *very*
strong sense of what does and does not "work" for me in terms of
efficiency and "traffic flow". But some of the layouts, some of the
orientations/positions of certain rooms or areas, seems like ti could eb
a bit difficult *for me personally* (can't speak for anyone else ;) ) to
live comfortably with.

But I still love the look of Falling Water, and the Robie House =:-D


Posted by Michael Bulatovich on July 24, 2007, 9:11 am

> ...that is just the nature of archrtecture. Is is
> *not* pure sculpture

this complexity seems to stump a lot of people...just try to explain that to
your local architecture critic!



Posted by Kris Krieger on July 25, 2007, 5:01 pm

>
>> ...that is just the nature of archrtecture. Is is
>> *not* pure sculpture
>
> this complexity seems to stump a lot of people...just try to explain
> that to your local architecture critic!
>

I have little tolerance for, or interest in, the vast majority of any sort
of critic. Too many sound rather, well, unintelligent to me, probably
because so many of them resort to buzzwords and pop-phrases and misused
terms that all end up have little, if any, real *meaning*.

It's not that the level of writing is "too elevated" for me to understand,
either - I read, and can easily write, on a post-graduate level. My
annoyance lies in the fact aht I *do* understand, and that I can see how
much is just plain BS presented using $5 words and convoluted (and
generally incorrect!!) grammatical constructs.




Posted by Michael Bulatovich on July 21, 2007, 10:33 am
You obviously haven't read the group's FAQ...
--


MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca

> What is your take on Frank Lloyd Wright Architecture?
>



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