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Posted by Pierre Levesque on July 21, 2007, 5:23 pm

> What is your take on Frank Lloyd Wright Architecture?
>
Who?



Posted by =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Se=F1or_Popcorn on July 21, 2007, 8:05 pm
Pierre Levesque wrote:
>> What is your take on Frank Lloyd Wright Architecture?
>>
> Who?
>
One of the brothers that built and flew the first plane.

My take is that I like the plane because it actually flew.

Posted by Kris Krieger on July 23, 2007, 6:52 pm


[ ... ]
>>
>> He's still over rated and outdated.
>
> You're still being silly, even if you repeat it. What does "outdated"
> mean with respect to architecture?

THat's a good question.... Isn't one man's "outdated" another man's
"piece of history", or "classic design"...?

I hear that on those HDTV shows, "outdated" - soemtimes the stuff was
ugly even back when tio was done, other times it is obviously of a given
stylistic period but remains valid in terms of aesthetics/design.

Horizontals are currently "outdated", but that doesn't mean that nobody
should or deos use tham any more.

IOW, to what extent does "outdated" *merely* mean "not currently
fashionable"...?

Also, why is FLW "outdated", bot not farmhouse style, or French
Provincial, or Victorian, or any number of other styles...?

Nto trying to be snotty - I'm merely curious.


> There are countless examples of
> superb architecture, whether created by architects, sculptors or other
> creative people, that are just as enjoyable now as they were long
> ago. Maybe you take mean outdated to mean "does not conform to the
> current building code" - which is even sillier. Or, maybe you mean
> that peoples' lifestyles and technology have changed so much that
> older architecture doesn't easily adapt to the new requirements -
> still silly.
>
> The overrated comment is your subjective opinion based on your
> admittedly limited knowledge. That's fine - you're entitled to your
> opinion. FLW is frequently the architect that gets people interested
> in architecture, so I'm all for his high regard in the school of
> public opinion. He had his limitations, didn't often know what they
> were, and still produced inspiring work.

Inspiring and thought-provoking. WHich is what makes them art.

A concrete box can work fine as a warehouse, esp. with climate control,
and other engineering/technological advances to mak eit sturdy and
adaptable and so on. IOW< even a concrete box can be a really "nifty-
keen" ;) bit of engineering. But it isn't art.

I think that so many of FLW's works endure because they have a strong
artistic element.

Like 'em or hate 'em, they did introduce new ideas, now ways to think
about things, into the architecture of the times.

>
> And let's get to the crux of the matter - you're jealous. We all know
> that you'd love to have apprentices working your fields and gardens,
> building whatever you designed on your property, blindly following
> your dictates and paying you for the privilege of working for you.
> All I can say to that...me too!

Add me to that list........ ;)

Posted by Kris Krieger on July 23, 2007, 7:10 pm

[ ... ]
>
> I asked you what you meant by outdated - you did not respond. What is
> outdated about these?
> http://people.msoe.edu/~reyer/mke/1961b.html

I used to pass that one fairly frequently, back when I lived near
Milwaukee. I shoudl have goen in, dunno why I didn't. But it was quite
nice from the outside.

What I liked was that it carroied over so much of what onethinks of as
being Greek in terms of colors and materials, and also echoes teh
Orthodox style.



> http://www.greatbuildings.com/cgi-bin/gbi.cgi/Marin_Civic_Center.html/c
> id_1837791.html
> http://www.greatbuildings.com/cgi-bin/gbi.cgi/Johnson_Wax_Building.html
> /cid_johnson_wax_002.html

In oneof the tv specials I'd seen, people said they loved working there,
in spiteof the leakes, because ti was so bright, and such a visually-
beautiful place.



> http://www.greatbuildings.com/cgi-bin/gbi.cgi/Wingspread.html/cid_10325
> 03482_100-0049_IMG.html

THat's where I went to an Anti-Terrorism conference back around '89 or
so. From the direction of the attendees' approach, you didn't really see
the roof like that - it barely looked like one was actually approaching a
big buuilding; what we saw was very low to the ground, almost bunmker-
like. We ent tthrough alow tunnel-like entryway. I was thinking
something like, "What the vbloody hell...?!?!?!"....

...and then you BURST into this huge, golden space rich with woods and
textures...

Oh my...



I also loved the Guggenheim - it wa slike entering a column or wave of
light. I had little interest in most of the art - I'm not "into"
Modernism, for the most part. I just kept looking at the space. I was
only, jeezz, maybe 13 or 14... It was one of the pivotal expereinces in
my life, for several reasons.



> I could keep linking to interesting buildings
> that he did, but there's really no need.
>
>> Dragging up old differences in our opinions serves no purpose.
>
> I'm not trying to get you to agree with me. You don't have to like
> the stuff. It's not your opinion, it's what you're basing your
> opinion on that I find odd. You've never seen any of his buildings in
> person. Saying something is outdated doesn't make it so. I was
> asking for clarification on why you thought it was outdated because,
> for the life of me, I have no idea what you mean.
>
>> I have seen WAY too many people enamored over Wright based on
>> silliness.
>
> I don't base my admiration on silliness, nor my opinions on coffee
> table books. It seems to me that you're being unduly harsh on Wright
> to offset the groupies' adoration. Whether you like something or not
> shouldn't be based on other people's opinions.
>

Exactly! THere are many people who tend to latch onto things or people,
and then allow their adoration to blind them to any and all faults.
Groupies, followers.

But then there are some people who like something because they see merit
in it, and/or because this or that work resonates with them.




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