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Camp Construction Jack Offstermeyer 04-01-2008
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Posted by Jack Offstermeyer on April 1, 2008, 7:45 am
My son's group won the design phase of a design/build competition at his
tech school. Now the teams have to build their buildings, per the design.

He has a nuumber of problems and I don't know how to correct them while
construction is underway. They started by framing the building's
exterior to the correct outside dimensions. But all of the interior
stuff doesn't fit. They can get some of the rooms to the right size,
but every time they do that, something else gets too small. I think
that is happening is that the walls are too thick. On paper, they are
just lines but when they build them, they can be up to 4.5" think.
That's throwing everything off. How does he correct for that? How do
you get thinner walls. If they were maybe 1/2 or 1/4 inch, no one would
notice but over 4" is just ridiculous. What's the secret?

The other issue is the door and windows. He's using a standard 32" door
but that doesn't fit correctly either. The hallways are 32" and there's
all of the stuff around the door that somehow seem like it is meant to
be installed. I don't get it, it's just a little camp they are trying
to frame. The windows have the same problem. For instance there are
two windows that are 10" apart and there shouldn't be a problem putting
the 8" chimney between them, but it doesn't all fit in. He's missing
something.

The teacher isn't any help. He says it's the best design he's seen in
years and he can't figure why there are any problems.

Please help.

Posted by RicodJour on April 1, 2008, 11:36 am
> My son's group won the design phase of a design/build competition at his
> tech school. Now the teams have to build their buildings, per the design.
>
> He has a nuumber of problems and I don't know how to correct them while
> construction is underway. They started by framing the building's
> exterior to the correct outside dimensions. But all of the interior
> stuff doesn't fit. They can get some of the rooms to the right size,
> but every time they do that, something else gets too small. I think
> that is happening is that the walls are too thick. On paper, they are
> just lines but when they build them, they can be up to 4.5" think.
> That's throwing everything off. How does he correct for that? How do
> you get thinner walls. If they were maybe 1/2 or 1/4 inch, no one would
> notice but over 4" is just ridiculous. What's the secret?
>
> The other issue is the door and windows. He's using a standard 32" door
> but that doesn't fit correctly either. The hallways are 32" and there's
> all of the stuff around the door that somehow seem like it is meant to
> be installed. I don't get it, it's just a little camp they are trying
> to frame. The windows have the same problem. For instance there are
> two windows that are 10" apart and there shouldn't be a problem putting
> the 8" chimney between them, but it doesn't all fit in. He's missing
> something.
>
> The teacher isn't any help. He says it's the best design he's seen in
> years and he can't figure why there are any problems.
>
> Please help.

I'd suggest building it tomorrow. That should fix the problem.

R

Posted by Charles Jones on April 1, 2008, 12:59 pm
In article <5e29d573-1658-42d1-99bb-9d660f4e1641
@s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, ricodjour@worldemail.com says...
> > My son's group won the design phase of a design/build competition at his
> > tech school. Now the teams have to build their buildings, per the design.
> >

[ snip ]

> >
> > Please help.
>
> I'd suggest building it tomorrow. That should fix the problem.


I think this is the real answer, but to continue the adventure ...


Think outside the box. Instead of framing lumber and drywall, use non-
traditional materials. Perhaps for the interior walls use 1/8" or 1/4"
steel plate, secured to the floors and ceilings via angle strips. Lag
bolt the strips to the horizonal surfaces and drill holes and bolt
through both strips and the plate.

A bonus, hanging pictures now only requires rare-earth magnets!

:-P

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Posted by Kris Krieger on April 3, 2008, 5:11 pm

> In article <5e29d573-1658-42d1-99bb-9d660f4e1641
> @s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, ricodjour@worldemail.com says...
>> > My son's group won the design phase of a design/build competition
>> > at his tech school. Now the teams have to build their buildings,
>> > per the design.
>> >
>
> [ snip ]
>
>> >
>> > Please help.
>>
>> I'd suggest building it tomorrow. That should fix the problem.
>
>
> I think this is the real answer, but to continue the adventure ...
>
>
> Think outside the box. Instead of framing lumber and drywall, use
> non- traditional materials. Perhaps for the interior walls use 1/8"
> or 1/4" steel plate, secured to the floors and ceilings via angle
> strips. Lag bolt the strips to the horizonal surfaces and drill holes
> and bolt through both strips and the plate.
>
> A bonus, hanging pictures now only requires rare-earth magnets!
>
>:-P
>

Cool, then you can run an electric current through the whole house, too -
no need for plugs that way ;)



Posted by Kris Krieger on April 4, 2008, 1:16 pm

>
>>
>>> In article <5e29d573-1658-42d1-99bb-9d660f4e1641
>>> @s37g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, ricodjour@worldemail.com says...
>>>> > My son's group won the design phase of a design/build competition
>>>> > at his tech school. Now the teams have to build their buildings,
>>>> > per the design.
>>>> >
>>>
>>> [ snip ]
>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > Please help.
>>>>
>>>> I'd suggest building it tomorrow. That should fix the problem.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think this is the real answer, but to continue the adventure ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Think outside the box. Instead of framing lumber and drywall, use
>>> non- traditional materials. Perhaps for the interior walls use 1/8"
>>> or 1/4" steel plate, secured to the floors and ceilings via angle
>>> strips. Lag bolt the strips to the horizonal surfaces and drill
>>> holes and bolt through both strips and the plate.
>>>
>>> A bonus, hanging pictures now only requires rare-earth magnets!
>>>
>>>:-P
>>>
>>
>> Cool, then you can run an electric current through the whole house,
>> too - no need for plugs that way ;)
>
> Automatic burglar deterrent!
>

Yeah! I want to do that on my car!
Oh wait, nobody bothers stealing old Saturn SL1's...yeah, I can imagine
the tense chase scene - the perp puts the pedal to the metal, but the
bicycle cops quickly catch up... <LOL!>






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