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Can general contractor raise price after house is finished? HappyHumanist 06-23-2007
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Posted by Kris Krieger on July 1, 2007, 12:57 am
HappyHumanist@yahoo.com wrote in news:1182644957.993765.51930
@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

> Good advice everyone. Yeah, there are some things I will do
> differently next time, like a written contract. Nevertheless, your
> advice--both sides--is encouranging, everyone. I'll let you know how
> it goes. Thanks!!!
>
> - Unhappy


Holy crap!!! For that much $$$, you had no written contract?

Geez, I made someone sign a contract just to design a very minor website -
and doncha know, they backed out to go with "El Slicko Inc."and tried to
stiff me for all the work I'd done upto that point - but I had insisted
that a contract be signed before I did *anything*, so at least I got my 300
bucks. People will try to shyster you for miniscule amounts, so it is a
certainty that they'll try to shyster you for significant bucks, because
people suck.

Get everything in writing. Everything. Always. A true professional will
expect to do that, and will want to do it, because it protects *both*
parties. I would never trust anyone who would not expect, welcome, and
even demand that a writtencontract be drawn up. Things can get screwed up
enough whan it *is* all in writing. Forget this nonsense about verbal
"contracts".

Heck, I only get my lawn mowed with no contract because they don't get paid
until *after* they do the job...



>
>> )If) the story is as straight as this one side says it
>> is, I would set in the 60 grand as a bargaining tool
>> until it is settled where both sides agree. 60 thou is
>> a sizable bargaining tool.
>>
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>> >> And what if he doesn't go away?
>>
>> > why haven't you paid him the 60,000?
>> > this much you two agree on
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Posted by PeterD on June 23, 2007, 7:57 pm
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:11:59 -0700, HappyHumanist@yahoo.com wrote:

>And what if he doesn't go away? What if he sues us like he said he's
>going to?

What is he going to sue you for? Breach of contract... Won't get past
first base on that one.

>What if he's stupid and he doesn't realize we're
>right?

Court will quickly tell him he has no case, assuming his lawyer
doesn't do it first. Lawyers don't take loosing cases, regardless.

>...thousands of dollars in legal fees later... Is there any
>way he could win?

Sure, when hell freezes over.

>Wouldn't it cost more than the difference that
>we're arguing over in legal fees and court costs? Who would have to
>pay those fees? Could we make him pay our attorney fees if we win?

Quite possibly a counter suit would succeed in this case.



Posted by PeterD on June 24, 2007, 11:05 am
wrote:

>"PeterD"> wrote
>> Lawyers don't take loosing cases, regardless.
>
>They do it all the time.
>Every case has a winner and a loser.
>As long as they get their fee *up front* they don't care who wins.
>Why do you think they call em sharks?
>

Correct. I guess I should have said "Unless you are willing to pay
up-front, lawyers won't take a guarnteed to loose case!" <bg>

Say that contractor walks into a lawyer's office with the story the OP
gave (slanted to his advantage, of course, just as the OPs story is
slanted that way, too.)

The lawyer will not handle this on a contingency, or for that matter,
probably even if paid in advance (if the lawyer is ethical, please no
comments on that possibility!) Instead the lawyer may say: "Try small
claims court to get the max (usualyl $5K) or just ring it up to
experience. and then he'll say: next time, have a written contract!

Posted by Sanbar on June 23, 2007, 10:37 pm
Who is the contractor. I am also in the Wisconsin area.



Posted by dpb on June 23, 2007, 5:12 pm
HappyHumanist@yahoo.com wrote:
> Our house (in Wisconsin) is finished. According to the bid we
> accepted, we owe one final payment of $60,000 ($53,000 plus $7,000 to
> account for change requests during the construction process) to our
> general contractor. Now, right at the end, he suddenly says we owe
> him $73,000. He says if we don't pay it, he's going to sue us. Can
> he doe this to us? Here are his reasons:
>
> 1. His estimates were inaccurate, and some of his sources for
> material and labor ended up charging him more than he expected.
>
> 2. We bothered him with a lot of changes and supervision.
>
> 3. Our house is worth a lot more than we're paying him.
>
> 4. The house too him longer to build than he expected, and so he had
> to pay a lot more for labor than he expected.
>
> Here are my answers to him on each of the four issues:
>
> 1. Regarding his costs exceeding his estimates... We had an oral
> agreement in the beginning that once we agreed on a project and
> accepted his bid that the bid would not change--up or down. If we
> made changes (we did make minor changes), we would be responsible for
> our changes. If market prices on materials were to fall, we agreed
> that he would enjoy the savings, but if prices went up, he would
> suffer the extra charges. He called this "locking in," and that is
> one of the main reasons we went with this contractor. On the detailed
> written bid he provided us, and which we subsequently accepted, he
> even wrote his "lock in" promise at the bottom--a few sentences.
> Other than these written documents and or oral contract, we have no
> official contract with him.
...[snip other points I think mostly immaterial]...

The contract is the contract. What it says is what it says. The
obligations of each are spelled out in it and in approved change orders
to it.

Of course he can sue (or more likely, try to place a mechanics' lien on
the house would be what I would guess he would actually try to do).
From the story as told, probably wouldn't win, at least much. But, of
course, there are almost always two sides to any story and we don't have
his. :)

What you should do is take the concern to your attorney (you _DO_ have
an attorney, don't you?) and let him handle it. Don't discuss dollars
or payments further w/ the contractor if they get beyond the contractual
limits set but refer him to the attorney. Don't commit to anything,
don't do anything...

As a practical matter, however, how much _did_ materials escalate? Was
there weather or other mitigating factors that caused at least some of
the delays? And especially, are you being _fully_ upfront w/ him on the
change orders and other requests, etc. and are there other features than
those on the official change orders that ended up in the house that
really, really aren't what the original plans called for? You might
consider what would be a fair compromise as a fallback position rather
than getting into a real battle here...there just might be at least some
basis for his claim although I'll agree that to wait until the end
before raising concerns isn't the way to deal with it--he should have
asked for change orders or raised concerns along the way.

--


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