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Check it out - Ismet Krchic' ++ 01-31-2008
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Posted by Warm Worm on February 1, 2008, 4:29 am
++ wrote:
>
>
> Warm Worm wrote:
>
>> +
>>
>>>
>>> On the other hand, its ancestor might be the Igil. After all, there
>>> are two stringed gusla http://www.alashensemble.com/instruments.htm
>>>
>>
>> I find this rather pleasant:
>> http://www.alashensemble.com/Instruments/byzaanchy/QT_byzaanchy.htm
>>
>> There was or maybe still is an asian street musician out here
>> (Vancouver, BC at the Granville Skytrain Stn.) who was pretty good
>> playing some kind of instrument that sounded a bit like that, maybe
>> with a somewhat higher pitch.
>>
>> I've always liked and entertained the idea of merging all kinds of
>> disparate instruments, inlcuding people's voices, clapping, etc., and
>> forms of music together to form coherent wholes... Ideally with real
>> people and instruments, and live.
>> Nevertheless, that's in part why I love computer music. It's
>> _virtually_ do-able.
>
> It only works so far. You can sample music but you cannot totally
> replicate it.

From what is understood, it can nevertheless be modeled, or sampled and
then re-synthesized.
How you choose to regard an instrument-model is up to you I suppose, but
the thing with electronics, is that it can also do things with models
that simply can't be done with the real things.
And then there are models of instruments that don't even exist in
reality, as well as other forms of synthesis and parametric control.

> It is also difficult to consistently produce so-called
> "oriental" interval values and non standard (not divisible by 2 or 3)
> rhythms. Sure you can program those rhythms for a while, but then you
> have to be able to mix them with standard rhythms for parts of pieces.

I suspect that anything that's possible in reality is possible with the
computer, and much more.
Someone once suggested that, to be able to hear a synthetic sound, one
is limited by the output, which can degrade the sound-quality; whereas
an acoustic instrument is more direct to the ear.
While that seems to be true, it may one day be possible to bypass the
ear-drum, or most or all of the ear in order to "hear" electronic music
more directly.

Posted by Michael Bulatovich on February 1, 2008, 8:56 am

> <snip> it may one day be possible to bypass the ear-drum, or most or all
> of the ear in order to "hear" electronic music more directly.

The guvmint is already doing that, and others are foiling them too:
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/



Posted by Warm Worm on February 1, 2008, 3:20 pm
Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>> <snip> it may one day be possible to bypass the ear-drum, or most or all
>> of the ear in order to "hear" electronic music more directly.
>
> The guvmint is already doing that, and others are foiling them too:
> http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

Very distinguished-looking.

Posted by Michael Bulatovich on February 1, 2008, 3:41 pm

> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>>> <snip> it may one day be possible to bypass the ear-drum, or most or all
>>> of the ear in order to "hear" electronic music more directly.
>>
>> The guvmint is already doing that, and others are foiling them too:
>> http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
>
> Very distinguished-looking.

Yeah, well, you can't just blend in with the sheep you know.



Posted by ++ on February 1, 2008, 1:57 pm


Warm Worm wrote:

>>
>> It only works so far. You can sample music but you cannot totally
>> replicate it.
>
>
> From what is understood, it can nevertheless be modeled, or sampled
> and then re-synthesized.
> How you choose to regard an instrument-model is up to you I suppose,
> but the thing with electronics, is that it can also do things with
> models that simply can't be done with the real things.
> And then there are models of instruments that don't even exist in
> reality, as well as other forms of synthesis and parametric control.
>
>> It is also difficult to consistently produce so-called "oriental"
>> interval values and non standard (not divisible by 2 or 3) rhythms.
>> Sure you can program those rhythms for a while, but then you have to
>> be able to mix them with standard rhythms for parts of pieces.
>
>
> I suspect that anything that's possible in reality is possible with
> the computer, and much more.
> Someone once suggested that, to be able to hear a synthetic sound, one
> is limited by the output, which can degrade the sound-quality; whereas
> an acoustic instrument is more direct to the ear.
> While that seems to be true, it may one day be possible to bypass the
> ear-drum, or most or all of the ear in order to "hear" electronic
> music more directly.
>

I heard but cannot point you to research in precisely that brian
oriented hearing to by pass the eardrum for the deaf. Let us hope the
daywill come in which we can all enhance our ability to hear things we
cannot now hear.


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