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Correct proportions needed FoggyTown 02-16-2008
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Posted by gruhn on February 27, 2008, 11:24 pm
> Dunno, but you might strike gold if you DAGS on "acropolis
> restoration project".

He specified Roman.

Posted by Ralph Hertle on February 20, 2008, 12:19 am
FoggyTown wrote:

[...]

> What I need to know is the correct (most appropriate/most common)
> distance between columns based on their width. Is there an equation I
> can use, i.e. if the column is X cm wide then the on center distance
> between columns will be Y cm. The columns will probably be about 10
> cm to 12 cm wide. I understand there may not be any hard and fast
> ratios applicable.
>



The Parthenon and almost every Greek temple of that period was designed
using hundreds of well defined ratios. The ratios in complex geometric
relationships governed the spacings of every possible feature of the
designs.

To find the proportions of the Parthenon and other structures conduct an
Internet search with the keywords,
[ Parthenon +proportions ].

There is a tremendous amount of information on the matter in printed
books; and probably more than there is on the Internet. The proportional
systems are lightly gone over by most students of the architecture. You
would have to consult the books on the buildings by the historians of
geometry and architecture to get the finer points.

On the Internet there are some possibilities:

http://www.ancient-greece.org/architecture/parthenon.html

http://www.ancient-greece.org/architecture/parthenon2.html

http://www.radzjukevich.narod.ru/

http://www.radzjukevich.narod.ru/plates.html

The measurement and proportional systems used by the architects, Iktinos
and Kallikrates, were based upon the elaborate Pythagorean system of
geometry. Their temples were based upon many types of mathematical
principles that had been discovered in geometry. The inter-relationships
of mathematical ratios are intricate and complicated.

You asked about the proportions of the columns. You can get the
measurements from books, however, one obscure fact concerns the shape of
the columns. The shape is an ellipsoid of rotation with the top and base
made flat. With the diameters of the narrower top, widest, and bottom
you could construct the shapes. Check the heights for those were in a
specific ratio to the column centerline spacings.

Forget Roman buildings. They didn't use the Ancient Greek system of
ratios and proportions.


Ralph Hertle

Posted by FoggyTown on February 21, 2008, 2:37 pm

>
> You asked about the proportions of the columns. You can get the
> measurements from books, however, one obscure fact concerns the shape of
> the columns. The shape is an ellipsoid of rotation with the top and base
> made flat. With the diameters of the narrower top, widest, and bottom
> you could construct the shapes. Check the heights for those were in a
> specific ratio to the column centerline spacings.
>
> Forget Roman buildings. They didn't use the Ancient Greek system of
> ratios and proportions.
>
> Ralph Hertle

Actually, I asked about the distance between (i.e. spacing of) the
columns. Not the proportions of the columns themselves. I was hoping
that there might be a rule of thumb which says that if the columns are
X wide then the proper spaceng between them would be Y x X or
somesuch. I think I'd be reading those suggested references for some
time before I accidentally stumbled across that information.

FoggyTown

Posted by gruhn on February 27, 2008, 11:33 pm
> Actually, I asked about the distance between (i.e. spacing of) the

Yes you did.

> that there might be a rule of thumb which says that if the columns are
> X wide then the proper spaceng between them would be Y x X or

Seems odd that you'd be so concerned about the space between them yet
actively dismiss the proportions of the things themselves. Maybe
you've never seen columns that were too clearly wrong.

http://www.sluicerobber.com/France/FranceImages/NimesRomanTemple.jpg
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/NGSPOD02/102874~The-Portal-of-the-Roman-Temple-to-Bacchus-the-God-of-Wine-Posters.jpg
http://updatecenter.britannica.com/eb/image?binaryId=11996&rendTypeId=4
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/08/photogalleries/lebanon/images/primary/baalbek-bacchus-big.jpg
http://blog.bjork.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/turinn-og-fleira-006.jpg

Look at pictures. Count.

Posted by Kris Krieger on February 21, 2008, 6:44 pm
@verizon.net:

> FoggyTown wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> What I need to know is the correct (most appropriate/most common)
>> distance between columns based on their width. Is there an equation I
>> can use, i.e. if the column is X cm wide then the on center distance
>> between columns will be Y cm. The columns will probably be about 10
>> cm to 12 cm wide. I understand there may not be any hard and fast
>> ratios applicable.
>>
>
>
>
> The Parthenon and almost every Greek temple of that period was designed
> using hundreds of well defined ratios. The ratios in complex geometric
> relationships governed the spacings of every possible feature of the
> designs.
>
> To find the proportions of the Parthenon and other structures conduct an
> Internet search with the keywords,
> [ Parthenon +proportions ].
>
> There is a tremendous amount of information on the matter in printed
> books; and probably more than there is on the Internet. The proportional
> systems are lightly gone over by most students of the architecture. You
> would have to consult the books on the buildings by the historians of
> geometry and architecture to get the finer points.
>
> On the Internet there are some possibilities:
>
> http://www.ancient-greece.org/architecture/parthenon.html
>
> http://www.ancient-greece.org/architecture/parthenon2.html
>
> http://www.radzjukevich.narod.ru/
>
> http://www.radzjukevich.narod.ru/plates.html

Actually, assuming that the illustrations are done to-scale, I was looking
at Plate 1 and saw that a proportion could be figured out, as least
accurately enough for most purposes (such as for the OP's mention of doing
a box) byt measuring the circels, and the spaces between them. It'd be
easier if printed out, so I haven't done the aritmetic, but it reminds me
of what i'd done some yar back when fooling around with doing a 3D image of
a "pseudo-Parthenon) for a game project that was in the works at the time.

Anyway, nice source, thanks for the URLs :)


>
> The measurement and proportional systems used by the architects, Iktinos
> and Kallikrates, were based upon the elaborate Pythagorean system of
> geometry. Their temples were based upon many types of mathematical
> principles that had been discovered in geometry. The inter-relationships
> of mathematical ratios are intricate and complicated.
>
> You asked about the proportions of the columns. You can get the
> measurements from books, however, one obscure fact concerns the shape of
> the columns. The shape is an ellipsoid of rotation with the top and base
> made flat. With the diameters of the narrower top, widest, and bottom
> you could construct the shapes. Check the heights for those were in a
> specific ratio to the column centerline spacings.
>
> Forget Roman buildings. They didn't use the Ancient Greek system of
> ratios and proportions.
>
>
> Ralph Hertle
>


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