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Cost of laying stone? HappyHumanist 03-22-2007
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Posted by tmurf.1@juno.com on March 22, 2007, 9:27 pm
>
>
>
> > Four men are going to lay 2800 dollars worth of stone in 10 hours? One
> > long day? I would find this hard to believe though the details are not
> > there. Natural stone? Cultured (man made)? Size? Walls? Flatwork? Low,
> > high? Substrate? Intricate? Big open areas? On and on.
>
> > There are too many variables to even allow for a rough estimate. Around
> > here (mid atlantic) billing $30 per hour per man is not uncommon. That
> > said, I would be very surprised if you could lay $2800 worth of any
> > stone for 1200 dollars.
>
> Interesting point. Not your dollars, but the time involved. Maybe
> it's a thin stone veneer and they have a bunch of corners, that'd
> explain the expense, but that stuff doesn't go up that quickly.
>
> I guess we'll have to wait for the mason to get back from vacation to
> find out! ;)
>
> R

Masons get vacations? What for?


Posted by M&S on March 23, 2007, 8:50 pm
RicodJour wrote:

>
>>Four men are going to lay 2800 dollars worth of stone in 10 hours? One
>>long day? I would find this hard to believe though the details are not
>>there. Natural stone? Cultured (man made)? Size? Walls? Flatwork? Low,
>>high? Substrate? Intricate? Big open areas? On and on.
>>
>>There are too many variables to even allow for a rough estimate. Around
>>here (mid atlantic) billing $30 per hour per man is not uncommon. That
>>said, I would be very surprised if you could lay $2800 worth of any
>>stone for 1200 dollars.
>
>
> Interesting point. Not your dollars, but the time involved. Maybe
> it's a thin stone veneer and they have a bunch of corners, that'd
> explain the expense, but that stuff doesn't go up that quickly.
>
> I guess we'll have to wait for the mason to get back from vacation to
> find out! ;)
>
> R
>

Agreed,
        I could see 2800 dollars of cut blue stone slabs (steps) perhaps being
laid in a day with a machine and 4 guys. But if its any kind of mortar
work I would be shocked.
        That said, I am working in the land of ultra cheap labor (and expected
end results) so nothing would surprise me.
        The "fancy graphics and good reputations" thing is what perked my senses.
        It'll be interesting to hear what HappyHumanist finds out.

Mark

Mark


Posted by Charles on March 22, 2007, 11:12 pm
Around here, in DC, I can go to a local 7/11 and get a day-laborer who does
good mason work for $12/hr. Plenty of supply too. Guess what, I have no
problemo with it either because they are not lazy and work their arses off.
> HappyHumanist@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > We're about to have some stone accent veneers added to the front of
> > our new home. We've been putting this off for more than a year since
> > the house was finished, and we're finally doing it. Question is...
> > What can I expect this to cost? I already know the stone is costing
> > $2,800, but I don't know what to expect for labor. Our mason told us
> > it will take four of his guys 10 hours (40 man hours) to lay the
> > stone. But he still hasn't gotten back to us with a precise estimate
> > (he's on vacation) and we need to plan our finances. Can anyone give
> > me a ballpark estimate of what 40 man-hours would cost? This is small-
> > town midwest and these guys are well regarded but not considered "high
> > end" contractors--just good. They have trucks with fancy graphics,
> > and good reputations, but they generally just do small jobs in our
> > rural area, like brick on the front of ranch homes, stone accent
> > walls, repair old stone houses, etc. I know you can't give me an
> > exact amount, but I'm just looking for a very rough range to help us
> > plan.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > HappyHumanist@Yahoo.com
> >
>
> Four men are going to lay 2800 dollars worth of stone in 10 hours? One
> long day? I would find this hard to believe though the details are not
> there. Natural stone? Cultured (man made)? Size? Walls? Flatwork? Low,
> high? Substrate? Intricate? Big open areas? On and on.
>
> There are too many variables to even allow for a rough estimate. Around
> here (mid atlantic) billing $30 per hour per man is not uncommon. That
> said, I would be very surprised if you could lay $2800 worth of any
> stone for 1200 dollars.
>
> Mark
>



Posted by tmurf.1@juno.com on March 23, 2007, 8:36 pm
> Around here, in DC, I can go to a local 7/11 and get a day-laborer who does
> good mason work for $12/hr. Plenty of supply too. Guess what, I have no
> problemo with it either because they are not lazy and work their arses
>
>
>
>
> > HappyHuman...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > We're about to have some stone accent veneers added to the front of
> > > our new home. We've been putting this off for more than a year since
> > > the house was finished, and we're finally doing it. Question is...
> > > What can I expect this to cost? I already know the stone is costing
> > > $2,800, but I don't know what to expect for labor. Our mason told us
> > > it will take four of his guys 10 hours (40 man hours) to lay the
> > > stone. But he still hasn't gotten back to us with a precise estimate
> > > (he's on vacation) and we need to plan our finances. Can anyone give
> > > me a ballpark estimate of what 40 man-hours would cost? This is small-
> > > town midwest and these guys are well regarded but not considered "high
> > > end" contractors--just good. They have trucks with fancy graphics,
> > > and good reputations, but they generally just do small jobs in our
> > > rural area, like brick on the front of ranch homes, stone accent
> > > walls, repair old stone houses, etc. I know you can't give me an
> > > exact amount, but I'm just looking for a very rough range to help us
> > > plan.
>
> > > Thanks,
> > > HappyHuman...@Yahoo.com
>
> > Four men are going to lay 2800 dollars worth of stone in 10 hours? One
> > long day? I would find this hard to believe though the details are not
> > there. Natural stone? Cultured (man made)? Size? Walls? Flatwork? Low,
> > high? Substrate? Intricate? Big open areas? On and on.
>
> > There are too many variables to even allow for a rough estimate. Around
> > here (mid atlantic) billing $30 per hour per man is not uncommon. That
> > said, I would be very surprised if you could lay $2800 worth of any
> > stone for 1200 dollars.
>
> > Mark- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yeah that's the right way. Find some unknown illegal guy with no
credentials as an american or as a mason and work the shit out of him
and then when the wall falls down you just get another guy etc etc
etc. You can do this your way or the right way.


Posted by M&S on March 23, 2007, 8:59 pm
Charles wrote:

> Around here, in DC, I can go to a local 7/11 and get a day-laborer who does
> good mason work for $12/hr. Plenty of supply too. Guess what, I have no
> problemo with it either because they are not lazy and work their arses off.
>
>>HappyHumanist@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>We're about to have some stone accent veneers added to the front of
>>>our new home. We've been putting this off for more than a year since
>>>the house was finished, and we're finally doing it. Question is...
>>>What can I expect this to cost? I already know the stone is costing
>>>$2,800, but I don't know what to expect for labor. Our mason told us
>>>it will take four of his guys 10 hours (40 man hours) to lay the
>>>stone. But he still hasn't gotten back to us with a precise estimate
>>>(he's on vacation) and we need to plan our finances. Can anyone give
>>>me a ballpark estimate of what 40 man-hours would cost? This is small-
>>>town midwest and these guys are well regarded but not considered "high
>>>end" contractors--just good. They have trucks with fancy graphics,
>>>and good reputations, but they generally just do small jobs in our
>>>rural area, like brick on the front of ranch homes, stone accent
>>>walls, repair old stone houses, etc. I know you can't give me an
>>>exact amount, but I'm just looking for a very rough range to help us
>>>plan.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>HappyHumanist@Yahoo.com
>>>
>>
>>Four men are going to lay 2800 dollars worth of stone in 10 hours? One
>>long day? I would find this hard to believe though the details are not
>>there. Natural stone? Cultured (man made)? Size? Walls? Flatwork? Low,
>>high? Substrate? Intricate? Big open areas? On and on.
>>
>>There are too many variables to even allow for a rough estimate. Around
>>here (mid atlantic) billing $30 per hour per man is not uncommon. That
>>said, I would be very surprised if you could lay $2800 worth of any
>>stone for 1200 dollars.
>>
>>Mark
>>
>
>
>


Well I cant really argue with you. Unfortunately you are a part of the
growing norm in the US though I dont agree with your position. I have my
own position on the subject but with a post like yours it seems like its
wasted text to present it.

I do know, with one hundred percent clarity, that you or your immediate
family will one day come to regret this position you take. Its just a
matter of time before it will cut into your immediate comfort circle.

I am not a protectionist nor an advocate of border closure by any means.
Let them in I say. However as long as they dont operate on a level
playing feild with the rest of us, I will guarantee you that your
position will negatively affect everyone, including the immagrants, in time.

Mark


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