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Posted by creative1985@gmail.com on November 25, 2008, 3:30 pm
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> What do you think would be a reasonable cost of having an architect draw
> plans for remodeling a =A054 sq. ft. bathroom to replace a bathtub with a
> threshold-free shower, elevated toilet and a sink that I can wheel under?=
=A0I
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> want as little alteration to the non-tub part of the floor as practical.
> The shower will have a "lip" to hold the water in. =A0One contractor has =
said
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> he can build a small movable ramp for my wheelchair to cut down on how mu=
> "sloping" of the floor needs doing. =A0I like that idea.
> What are some phrases that a bad or sloppy architect might use in a
> preliminary review? =A0What questions can I ask him to test his mettle? I=
've
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> already found two in good standing with the AIA and the state licensing
> board. =A0I'm in Seattle. =A0Thanks
54 s.f with an existing *standard* tub, huh?
I'll presume this is a typical 5' x 10'-8" bathroom.
It ain't gonna happen, not enough room to maneuver the wheelchair.
I did a residential handicap bathroom recently that had a 5'x5' floor
level shower that the dood could wheel right into.
Get your tape measure out, measure your chair, measure how much room
you need to turn around then measure the existing bathroom.
Your trying to get 50# of stuff in a 10# bag.
BTW: An architect will rape your wallet on this sort of thing.
A remodeling contractor can do all of this if you are intent on going
ahead with it.
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Posted by cshenk on November 25, 2008, 7:05 pm
"creative1985@gmail.com" wrote
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>54 s.f with an existing *standard* tub, huh?
Yes, but he's removing the tub.
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> I'll presume this is a typical 5' x 10'-8" bathroom.
> It ain't gonna happen, not enough room to maneuver the wheelchair.
> I did a residential handicap bathroom recently that had a 5'x5' floor
> level shower that the dood could wheel right into.
Thats similar to what he has. I gather enlarging the room isnt viable.
He'll need a 36 inch at least wide path clear to the toilet and either be
able to swing around from front of it (one type of rails works for that but
he'll need the arm strenght to be able to safely do that). He'll probably
be happier if he can side up to it. Thats where the sink probably comes in.
Has to take out the cabinet and do either a very thin one (12 inch depth)
with small sink, or pedistal design. I think the units that attach straight
to the wall will be more functional for him as he can have it mounted to
preferred height and be able to wheel under it nicely.
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> Get your tape measure out, measure your chair, measure how much room
> you need to turn around then measure the existing bathroom.
> Your trying to get 50# of stuff in a 10# bag.
I think if the shower is right at the entry, sink along the way, and toilet
is on far end, with an open cul-de-sac by it and rails, then it will work.
Alternative is shower at far end, sink along one wall, and toilet near entry
with enough space to wheel around it, and turnaround at shower end.
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Posted by jimbobmitchell on November 26, 2008, 10:08 am
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> "creative1...@gmail.com" wrote
> >54 s.f with an existing *standard* tub, huh?
> Yes, but he's removing the tub.
> > I'll presume this is a typical 5' x 10'-8" bathroom.
> > It ain't gonna happen, not enough room to maneuver the wheelchair.
> > I did a residential handicap bathroom recently that had a 5'x5' floor
> > level shower that the dood could wheel right into.
> Thats similar to what he has. =A0I gather enlarging the room isnt viable.
> He'll need a 36 inch at least wide path clear to the toilet and either be
> able to swing around from front of it (one type of rails works for that b=
> he'll need the arm strenght to be able to safely do that). =A0He'll proba=
bly
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> be happier if he can side up to it. =A0Thats where the sink probably come=
s in.
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> Has to take out the cabinet and do either a very thin one (12 inch depth)
> with small sink, or pedistal design. =A0I think the units that attach str=
aight
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> to the wall will be more functional for him as he can have it mounted to
> preferred height and be able to wheel under it nicely.
> > Get your tape measure out, measure your chair, measure how much room
> > you need to turn around then measure the existing bathroom.
> > Your trying to get 50# of stuff in a 10# bag.
> I think if the shower is right at the entry, sink along the way, and toil=
> is on far end, with an open cul-de-sac by it and rails, then it will work=
> Alternative is shower at far end, sink along one wall, and toilet near en=
try
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> with enough space to wheel around it, and turnaround at shower end.
A few posters mentioned pedestal sinks, they won't work for a
wheelchair user because the footplates will hit the pedestal before
you can get near it to wash, or whatever. The sink (as well as
stoves) have to be suspended so the user can wheel under it without
footplates and armrests hitting anything.
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Posted by cshenk on November 26, 2008, 11:47 am
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>> be happier if he can side up to it. Thats where the sink probably comes
>> in.
>> Has to take out the cabinet and do either a very thin one (12 inch depth)
>> with small sink, or pedistal design. I think the units that attach
>> straight
>> to the wall will be more functional for him as he can have it mounted to
>> preferred height and be able to wheel under it nicely.
> A few posters mentioned pedestal sinks, they won't work for a
> wheelchair user because the footplates will hit the pedestal before
http://www.rensup.com/Product-Specifications/Specs17835.htm
http://www.rensup.com/Sink-Basins/97332.htm
Was thinking more along these lines (first one may not measure wide enough
but shows the idea)
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Posted by Info on November 26, 2008, 2:39 pm
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> "creative1985@gmail.com" wrote
>>54 s.f with an existing *standard* tub, huh?
> Yes, but he's removing the tub.
>> I'll presume this is a typical 5' x 10'-8" bathroom.
>> It ain't gonna happen, not enough room to maneuver the wheelchair.
>> I did a residential handicap bathroom recently that had a 5'x5' floor
>> level shower that the dood could wheel right into.
> Thats similar to what he has. I gather enlarging the room isnt viable.
> He'll need a 36 inch at least wide path clear to the toilet and either be
> able to swing around from front of it (one type of rails works for that
> but he'll need the arm strenght to be able to safely do that). He'll
> probably be happier if he can side up to it. Thats where the sink
> probably comes in. Has to take out the cabinet and do either a very thin
> one (12 inch depth) with small sink, or pedistal design. I think the
> units that attach straight to the wall will be more functional for him as
> he can have it mounted to preferred height and be able to wheel under it
> nicely.
>> Get your tape measure out, measure your chair, measure how much room
>> you need to turn around then measure the existing bathroom.
>> Your trying to get 50# of stuff in a 10# bag.
> I think if the shower is right at the entry, sink along the way, and
> toilet is on far end, with an open cul-de-sac by it and rails, then it
> will work. Alternative is shower at far end, sink along one wall, and
> toilet near entry with enough space to wheel around it, and turnaround at
> shower end.
I don't have the arm strength to use hand rails any more and exercise won't
strengthen the arms. There is no window in the bedroom. The bathroom is
approximately 9' by 6'. There are numbers written down all over the place
in here and I will put the exact numbers in a file on this machine in the
next day or so.
The left side of the bathroom door is about 4" to the right of the wall. As
you look into the bathroom you are looking at a 9' wall.
The current layout is, as you look into the bathroom, from left to right on
the 9' wall:
1) the wall-mounted slightly oval sink has a counter on both sides. The
left edge of the
counter is about 5 " wide and abuts a load-bearing wall that we will not
touch. Even if it isn't load-bearing, tearing into it
is cost-probitive. I need counter space on the left for my razor tooth
brush and so on.
2) Under the sink is a vanity that will be removed so I can wheel underneath
the sink.
3) The counter on the right side of the sink is about 7 inches wide. To the
right is the toilet. Over the tank is a 5" deep extension of the sink
counter top. The counter top is one contiguous piece. We expect that
over-the-tank extension to go. I expect that we'll keep the toilet and
raise it from the bottom with some material that has a hole in it for the
pipe. The floor to seat distance must be 20". ADA takes, pardon the
expression, a back seat to me on that one.
4) On the wall behind the sink is a huge mirror which will be replaced with
two surface-mounted, mirrored medicine cabinets. Surface-mounted because
that's a common wall and the less digging we do the better. Mirrored to
make the room brighter.
5) To the right of the toilet is the tub. It's about 33" wide and I'm told
it's a standard-sized tub. The tiled wall at the head of the tub, the end
furthest from the faucet, goes about three feet down from the ceiling. The
tiled wall then extends out toward the faucet end of the tub about 5 inches
and then goes straight down to the back of the tub. This puts the back of
the tub to the immediate right of the bathroom door.
6) The tile around the tub will be pulled of the wall and a shower pan will
be installed. The laminated sides will extend to the ceiling. The Tub Cove
guy, http://www.tubcove.com/, said the laminate and adhesives will be
Wilsonart or something similar. Here's the WilsonArt web site:
http://www.wilsonart.com/ The drain can stay where it is. The faucet
handle is now a ball that we turn right or left and push up or down for heat
and pressure, respectively. That ball will be replaced with a handle that
will be easier to hold and will do the same thing .
7) As I am wheeled in, the chair will be turned and I will be pushed into
the shower. The shower pan will have a "lip" on its left side to hold back
the water. I'll be pushed over that lip up either a slightly sloped floor or
a small moveable ramp. Then I'll be turned around to face the faucet.
Brakes locked and a pair of small blocks or something, if need be, can be
placed in front of the wheels to further hold the chair in place. I'll hose
myself down with the shower nozzle and return it to whoever's with me. That
person can then point the spray to the drain and the backup of water will be
nil. I lather up, get the hose, rinse, hand the hose back, and then the
hose will be turned off. The shower will have, as it does now, a large
heavy-duty cloth curtain hanging down to the ground. There shouldn't be
much leakage at all given the lip and the process described in this item 7.
8) I will dry off as much as I can and be wheeled into the bedroom. I'll
then be moved to the bed, dress, and go to bed or, be plopped into an
electric wheelchair until the end of the day.
9) Then I'll post a progress report on these two newsgroups. God, I hate
this.
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> plans for remodeling a =A054 sq. ft. bathroom to replace a bathtub with a
> threshold-free shower, elevated toilet and a sink that I can wheel under?=