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Current architectural styles? Donald Newcomb 06-21-2007
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Posted by ++ on June 21, 2007, 11:50 pm
3D Peruna wrote:

> Donald Newcomb wrote:
>
>> I apologize for "parachuting" into this group but I'm trying to learn if
>> there is a generally accepted name for the style of housing architecture
>> that is currently popular in the USA. These houses are typically very
>> vertical with high-pitched roofs. Multiple (often unnecessary) roof
>> lines,
>> giving them a layered appearance. Narrow eaves. Turrets, gables, etc.
>> They
>> stand in total contrast to modern architecture, ranch style houses
>> and the
>> prairie school and seem to emphasize form over function. The only
>> names I've
>> heard for this style are pejorative, such as "Yuppie Pseudo Victorian",
>> "Kitsch Neo Gothic", etc. I was wondering if there is a name for this
>> architectural style that is not derogatory?
>
>
> No.
>
> Well... at least not from most of this group.
>
> Are you looking for a name? The problem with almost all of them is
> that they are uniformly poorly designed and, even in many cases,
> downright ugly. If it's a "style" in its own right it would be
> derogatorily named. Kind of like putting a tu-tu on a rhino and
> saying it's pretty.
>
> (and from the text of your post, you seem to agree that there really
> isn't a nice thing to say about them, either)
>
Hardie Boarded Garage Frontal Neo Colonialist ?


Posted by Michael Bulatovich on June 22, 2007, 9:10 am

>I apologize for "parachuting" into this group but I'm trying to learn if
> there is a generally accepted name for the style of housing architecture
> that is currently popular in the USA. These houses are typically very
> vertical with high-pitched roofs. Multiple (often unnecessary) roof lines,
> giving them a layered appearance. Narrow eaves. Turrets, gables, etc. They
> stand in total contrast to modern architecture, ranch style houses and the
> prairie school and seem to emphasize form over function. The only names
> I've
> heard for this style are pejorative, such as "Yuppie Pseudo Victorian",
> "Kitsch Neo Gothic", etc. I was wondering if there is a name for this
> architectural style that is not derogatory?

I don't think so, unless some uneducated builder/developer/designer/realtor
calls them 'traditional' to distinguish them from whatever the masses think
is the opposite from that, say 'modern', or 'contemporary', or 'ranch', or
any other reasonably accepted stylistic appellation.

It isn't a conscious 'style' underpinned by any kind of ideal, other than
any espoused by PT Barnum. It's more of a marketing formula. It's the
architectural equivalent of that stuff graphic designers put into their
mock-ups:

"Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod
tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam,
quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo
consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse
cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat
non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est
laborum."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_Ipsum

BTW, the shine one the 'form follows function' line wore through to the
cheap white metal under it long ago. I don't know anyone with an
architectural education under the age of 80 who sees that as anything but
quaintly naive, or cynically pompous. (I wonder if even *that* will even get
a rise out of someone.)
--


MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca



Posted by Kris Krieger on July 1, 2007, 5:46 pm

>
>>I apologize for "parachuting" into this group but I'm trying to learn
>>if
>> there is a generally accepted name for the style of housing
>> architecture that is currently popular in the USA. These houses are
>> typically very vertical with high-pitched roofs. Multiple (often
>> unnecessary) roof lines, giving them a layered appearance. Narrow
>> eaves. Turrets, gables, etc. They stand in total contrast to modern
>> architecture, ranch style houses and the prairie school and seem to
>> emphasize form over function. The only names I've
>> heard for this style are pejorative, such as "Yuppie Pseudo
>> Victorian", "Kitsch Neo Gothic", etc. I was wondering if there is a
>> name for this architectural style that is not derogatory?
>
> I don't think so, unless some uneducated
> builder/developer/designer/realtor calls them 'traditional' to
> distinguish them from whatever the masses think is the opposite from
> that, say 'modern', or 'contemporary', or 'ranch', or any other
> reasonably accepted stylistic appellation.
>
> It isn't a conscious 'style' underpinned by any kind of ideal, other
> than any espoused by PT Barnum. It's more of a marketing formula. It's
> the architectural equivalent of that stuff graphic designers put into
> their mock-ups:
>
> "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do
> eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad
> minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut
> aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in
> reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla
> pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in
> culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum."

There is a reason for that. It is used because (1) the text itself does
not color a client's perception of the page-layout design, and (2) it
allows clients and designers to make consistant and direct comparisons of
layouts and typefaces. It allows a page-layout designer to look at the
text as a graphic element, rather than being distracted by the text's
content. When one is doing page layout (well, if one is even minimally
competent, that is...), one looks at the emotional impact of the grapical
elements of the page. There are well-established (and well-researched)
compositional guidelines that are applicable to all of the visual arts, and
involve porportion, position, arrangement (vertical versus horizontal
versus diagonal), numbers of elements, and so on. The graphic/page-layout
designer is supposed to arrange the graphic elements so that they reinforce
the message of the actual text. Having a standardized chunk of nonsense-
text allow the designer to do that.

At any rate, assuming even a minimal level of visual-graphic competence,
the standardized nonsense text is, in reality, quite the opposite from what
you indicate. It's actually rather a *good* example of "form follows
function" when it comes to page layout and typeface design/choice, because
its form was designed to fulfill a very specific function, which it does
very well.



> BTW, the shine one the 'form follows function' line wore through to
> the cheap white metal under it long ago. I don't know anyone with an
> architectural education under the age of 80 who sees that as anything
> but quaintly naive, or cynically pompous. (I wonder if even *that*
> will even get a rise out of someone.)


The problem with the saying is that, even in the biological world, "form
follows function" holds true only up to a point, and often a rather limited
point at that, because even a very specific function ends up having an vast
variety of natural solutions (i.e., forms).

Certain basic principles exist - such as, a mollusk will have a smooth
interior to its shell because that smoothness prevents unnecessary injury.
but look at the tremendous variety in the sizes and shapes and colors of
shells. OK, yes, all shells are "containers" at their most basic level,
but that's as far as the similarities often go. A Mussel shell is a
shelter/container, and a Giant Conch shell is also a shelter/container, but
they are otherwise dissimilar.

Now, it *is* true that some forms are inherently either dysfunctional or
even non-functional (such as a cubic shell with an abrasive interior).
And, similarly, some floorplans are barely functional, but the arrangements
were arrived at using constraints other than pure functionality, including
marketing constraints such as the notion that "everyone wants a fireplace",
so designers are instructed to ignore how much it might interfere with a
room's functionality, or at least, functional efficiency.

The point being that one can take a specific function, and arrive at
multiple forms/spatial arrangements that will work, albeit better for some
people than for others. ANd therein lies teh other complication:
different people have different needs, and what is functional for one
person can be quite to opposite for another person.

So, "form follows function" has good alliteration and rhythm, making it a
cute "sound bite", but it's a general guideline more than an absolute law.

- K.







Posted by Michael Bulatovich on July 2, 2007, 7:11 am

>
>>
>>>I apologize for "parachuting" into this group but I'm trying to learn
>>>if
>>> there is a generally accepted name for the style of housing
>>> architecture that is currently popular in the USA. These houses are
>>> typically very vertical with high-pitched roofs. Multiple (often
>>> unnecessary) roof lines, giving them a layered appearance. Narrow
>>> eaves. Turrets, gables, etc. They stand in total contrast to modern
>>> architecture, ranch style houses and the prairie school and seem to
>>> emphasize form over function. The only names I've
>>> heard for this style are pejorative, such as "Yuppie Pseudo
>>> Victorian", "Kitsch Neo Gothic", etc. I was wondering if there is a
>>> name for this architectural style that is not derogatory?
>>
>> I don't think so, unless some uneducated
>> builder/developer/designer/realtor calls them 'traditional' to
>> distinguish them from whatever the masses think is the opposite from
>> that, say 'modern', or 'contemporary', or 'ranch', or any other
>> reasonably accepted stylistic appellation.
>>
>> It isn't a conscious 'style' underpinned by any kind of ideal, other
>> than any espoused by PT Barnum. It's more of a marketing formula. It's
>> the architectural equivalent of that stuff graphic designers put into
>> their mock-ups:
>>
>> "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do
>> eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad
>> minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut
>> aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in
>> reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla
>> pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in
>> culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum."
>
> There is a reason for that. It is used because (1) the text itself does
> not color a client's perception of the page-layout design, and (2) it
> allows clients and designers to make consistant and direct comparisons of
> layouts and typefaces. It allows a page-layout designer to look at the
> text as a graphic element, rather than being distracted by the text's
> content. When one is doing page layout (well, if one is even minimally
> competent, that is...), one looks at the emotional impact of the grapical
> elements of the page. There are well-established (and well-researched)
> compositional guidelines that are applicable to all of the visual arts,
> and
> involve porportion, position, arrangement (vertical versus horizontal
> versus diagonal), numbers of elements, and so on. The graphic/page-layout
> designer is supposed to arrange the graphic elements so that they
> reinforce
> the message of the actual text. Having a standardized chunk of nonsense-
> text allow the designer to do that.
>
> At any rate, assuming even a minimal level of visual-graphic competence,
> the standardized nonsense text is, in reality, quite the opposite from
> what
> you indicate. It's actually rather a *good* example of "form follows
> function" when it comes to page layout and typeface design/choice, because
> its form was designed to fulfill a very specific function, which it does
> very well.
>
>
>
>> BTW, the shine one the 'form follows function' line wore through to
>> the cheap white metal under it long ago. I don't know anyone with an
>> architectural education under the age of 80 who sees that as anything
>> but quaintly naive, or cynically pompous. (I wonder if even *that*
>> will even get a rise out of someone.)
>
>
> The problem with the saying is that, even in the biological world, "form
> follows function" holds true only up to a point, and often a rather
> limited
> point at that, because even a very specific function ends up having an
> vast
> variety of natural solutions (i.e., forms).
>
> Certain basic principles exist - such as, a mollusk will have a smooth
> interior to its shell because that smoothness prevents unnecessary injury.
> but look at the tremendous variety in the sizes and shapes and colors of
> shells. OK, yes, all shells are "containers" at their most basic level,
> but that's as far as the similarities often go. A Mussel shell is a
> shelter/container, and a Giant Conch shell is also a shelter/container,
> but
> they are otherwise dissimilar.
>
> Now, it *is* true that some forms are inherently either dysfunctional or
> even non-functional (such as a cubic shell with an abrasive interior).
> And, similarly, some floorplans are barely functional, but the
> arrangements
> were arrived at using constraints other than pure functionality, including
> marketing constraints such as the notion that "everyone wants a
> fireplace",
> so designers are instructed to ignore how much it might interfere with a
> room's functionality, or at least, functional efficiency.
>
> The point being that one can take a specific function, and arrive at
> multiple forms/spatial arrangements that will work, albeit better for some
> people than for others. ANd therein lies teh other complication:
> different people have different needs, and what is functional for one
> person can be quite to opposite for another person.
>
> So, "form follows function" has good alliteration and rhythm, making it a
> cute "sound bite", but it's a general guideline more than an absolute law.
>
> - K.

My remark was in the context of post-modern architectural context. Changing
the context changes everything.



Posted by Kris Krieger on July 14, 2007, 7:38 pm

>
>>
>>>
>>>>I apologize for "parachuting" into this group but I'm trying to
>>>>learn if
>>>> there is a generally accepted name for the style of housing
>>>> architecture that is currently popular in the USA. These houses are
>>>> typically very vertical with high-pitched roofs. Multiple (often
>>>> unnecessary) roof lines, giving them a layered appearance. Narrow
>>>> eaves. Turrets, gables, etc. They stand in total contrast to modern
>>>> architecture, ranch style houses and the prairie school and seem to
>>>> emphasize form over function. The only names I've
>>>> heard for this style are pejorative, such as "Yuppie Pseudo
>>>> Victorian", "Kitsch Neo Gothic", etc. I was wondering if there is a
>>>> name for this architectural style that is not derogatory?
>>>
>>> I don't think so, unless some uneducated
>>> builder/developer/designer/realtor calls them 'traditional' to
>>> distinguish them from whatever the masses think is the opposite from
>>> that, say 'modern', or 'contemporary', or 'ranch', or any other
>>> reasonably accepted stylistic appellation.
>>>
>>> It isn't a conscious 'style' underpinned by any kind of ideal, other
>>> than any espoused by PT Barnum. It's more of a marketing formula.
>>> It's the architectural equivalent of that stuff graphic designers
>>> put into their mock-ups:
>>>
>>> "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do
>>> eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim
>>> ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut
>>> aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in
>>> reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla
>>> pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in
>>> culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum."
>>
>> There is a reason for that. It is used because (1) the text itself
>> does not color a client's perception of the page-layout design, and
>> (2) it allows clients and designers to make consistant and direct
>> comparisons of layouts and typefaces. It allows a page-layout
>> designer to look at the text as a graphic element, rather than being
>> distracted by the text's content. When one is doing page layout
>> (well, if one is even minimally competent, that is...), one looks at
>> the emotional impact of the grapical elements of the page. There are
>> well-established (and well-researched) compositional guidelines that
>> are applicable to all of the visual arts, and
>> involve porportion, position, arrangement (vertical versus horizontal
>> versus diagonal), numbers of elements, and so on. The
>> graphic/page-layout designer is supposed to arrange the graphic
>> elements so that they reinforce
>> the message of the actual text. Having a standardized chunk of
>> nonsense- text allow the designer to do that.
>>
>> At any rate, assuming even a minimal level of visual-graphic
>> competence, the standardized nonsense text is, in reality, quite the
>> opposite from what
>> you indicate. It's actually rather a *good* example of "form follows
>> function" when it comes to page layout and typeface design/choice,
>> because its form was designed to fulfill a very specific function,
>> which it does very well.
>>
>>
>>
>>> BTW, the shine one the 'form follows function' line wore through to
>>> the cheap white metal under it long ago. I don't know anyone with an
>>> architectural education under the age of 80 who sees that as
>>> anything but quaintly naive, or cynically pompous. (I wonder if even
>>> *that* will even get a rise out of someone.)
>>
>>
>> The problem with the saying is that, even in the biological world,
>> "form follows function" holds true only up to a point, and often a
>> rather limited
>> point at that, because even a very specific function ends up having
>> an vast
>> variety of natural solutions (i.e., forms).
>>
>> Certain basic principles exist - such as, a mollusk will have a
>> smooth interior to its shell because that smoothness prevents
>> unnecessary injury. but look at the tremendous variety in the sizes
>> and shapes and colors of shells. OK, yes, all shells are
>> "containers" at their most basic level, but that's as far as the
>> similarities often go. A Mussel shell is a shelter/container, and a
>> Giant Conch shell is also a shelter/container, but
>> they are otherwise dissimilar.
>>
>> Now, it *is* true that some forms are inherently either dysfunctional
>> or even non-functional (such as a cubic shell with an abrasive
>> interior). And, similarly, some floorplans are barely functional, but
>> the arrangements
>> were arrived at using constraints other than pure functionality,
>> including marketing constraints such as the notion that "everyone
>> wants a fireplace",
>> so designers are instructed to ignore how much it might interfere
>> with a room's functionality, or at least, functional efficiency.
>>
>> The point being that one can take a specific function, and arrive at
>> multiple forms/spatial arrangements that will work, albeit better for
>> some people than for others. ANd therein lies teh other
>> complication: different people have different needs, and what is
>> functional for one person can be quite to opposite for another
>> person.
>>
>> So, "form follows function" has good alliteration and rhythm, making
>> it a cute "sound bite", but it's a general guideline more than an
>> absolute law.
>>
>> - K.
>
> My remark was in the context of post-modern architectural context.
> Changing the context changes everything.
>

Changing what context? If you mean the "Lorem ipsum..." part, I made my
comment because your presentation of its useage was not correct, which in
turn made your analogy inaccurate...just trying to clarify, that's all.


As for the rest of what I said, I don't think it strays far at all from
the context of 20th and 21st century architecture.

I'm admittedly not too sure what is meant by "post-modern", because, as
far as I can tell, it can mean anything from design using clean lines but
tastefully including some historical elements/decoration/references, to
designs that look like someone covered a shoebox with glue and then
dumped a box full of knick-knacks over it, to designs that look like a
crushed egg-carton... So, I admittedly was not specifically addressing
"post-modernism", jsut making a few comments re: my thoughts re: the
"form follows function" bit...







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