Design Notes: Collada Import/Joinery Detail; Mannequin-for-Scale-Viz

Posted by =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Se=F1ior_Popcor on August 29, 2009, 1:39 am

Rico, as promised; the exploded joint-detail Google 3D Collada-file-
import seemed to work ok, using Blender and ACAD 10, and I'm
pleasantly surprised it came in at perfect scale to my own posts as
well:
http://www.sfu.ca/~rmacinty/Arch/JoinDetl.png
The only thing that appears missing is a peg-hole on the upper beam.

Blender has a direct Collada-import script and DXF/DWG export script,
so conversion was more straightforward than described.

Don; As you might tell (see link image), your previous suggestion to
add a "mannequin" for scale-visualization really makes a difference.

Posted by creative1985@gmail.com on August 29, 2009, 2:23 pm

> Rico, as promised; the exploded joint-detail Google 3D Collada-file-
> import seemed to work ok, using Blender and ACAD 10, and I'm
> pleasantly surprised it came in at perfect scale to my own posts as
> well:http://www.sfu.ca/~rmacinty/Arch/JoinDetl.png
> The only thing that appears missing is a peg-hole on the upper beam.
> Blender has a direct Collada-import script and DXF/DWG export script,
> so conversion was more straightforward than described.
> Don; As you might tell (see link image), your previous suggestion to
> add a "mannequin" for scale-visualization really makes a difference.

All of those joints must be pegged, 2.5" dia I believe.
I'm getting ready to venture into the post & beam philosophy myself on
a smaller scale.
Gonna build a drawing table the old fashioned way, 6' long x 3' wide x
30" high and every little thing counts cause the cost of the hardwood,
red oak, is astronomical - no room for errors.
I'm shopping for a Stanley 602 plane currently, for the top, that
ain't gonna be cheap so I have about $200 set aside for it alone. I
already have the chisels for the joinery and they're *scary sharp*,
look it up.
I made my own mallet out of a part of a hickory log from a tree in our
front yard that fell over the road last Feb. Turned it on my lathe
after I designed it in acad. Works excellent, heavy on the end, maybe
3 lbs, and ergonomically perfect. At least thats how it seems so far.
I may have a different opinion after using it for awhile.

Posted by =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Se=F1ior_Popcor on August 30, 2009, 11:08 pm

wrote:

> > Rico, as promised; the exploded joint-detail Google 3D Collada-file-
> > import seemed to work ok, using Blender and ACAD 10, and I'm
> > pleasantly surprised it came in at perfect scale to my own posts as
> > well:http://www.sfu.ca/~rmacinty/Arch/JoinDetl.png
> > The only thing that appears missing is a peg-hole on the upper beam.
> > Blender has a direct Collada-import script and DXF/DWG export script,
> > so conversion was more straightforward than described.
> > Don; As you might tell (see link image), your previous suggestion to
> > add a "mannequin" for scale-visualization really makes a difference.

> All of those joints must be pegged, 2.5" dia I believe.

Roughly 1" according to a book I have, but I think more than one peg
is used.

> I'm getting ready to venture into the post & beam philosophy myself on
> a smaller scale.

Rockin'... I have a feeling, if possibly wrong, that not all P&B uses,
or can use, the same joinery as regular woodworking, and/or vice-
versa.

> Gonna build a drawing table the old fashioned way, 6' long x 3' wide x
> 30" high and every little thing counts cause the cost of the hardwood,
> red oak, is astronomical - no room for errors.

When I'm blading in Vancouver, one of my main routes takes me by a
small antique shop that sometimes features antique drafting tables in
the window. They seem popular since they disappear almost as soon as I
see them. People like adjustable tables and drafting tables are some
of the most adjustable.

> I'm shopping for a Stanley 602 plane currently, for the top, that
> ain't gonna be cheap so I have about $200 set aside for it alone. I
> already have the chisels for the joinery and they're *scary sharp*,
> look it up.

Razorblade.

> I made my own mallet out of a part of a hickory log from a tree in our
> front yard that fell over the road last Feb. Turned it on my lathe
> after I designed it in acad. Works excellent, heavy on the end, maybe
> 3 lbs, and ergonomically perfect. At least thats how it seems so far.
> I may have a different opinion after using it for awhile.

My last name in gaelic means "Son of the Carpenter", so we'll see if I
can uphold it. Clan motto is "Through difficulties". ;)

Posted by creative1985@gmail.com on August 31, 2009, 10:28 pm

> wrote:

> > > Rico, as promised; the exploded joint-detail Google 3D Collada-file-
> > > import seemed to work ok, using Blender and ACAD 10, and I'm
> > > pleasantly surprised it came in at perfect scale to my own posts as
> > > well:http://www.sfu.ca/~rmacinty/Arch/JoinDetl.png
> > > The only thing that appears missing is a peg-hole on the upper beam.
> > > Blender has a direct Collada-import script and DXF/DWG export script,
> > > so conversion was more straightforward than described.
> > > Don; As you might tell (see link image), your previous suggestion to
> > > add a "mannequin" for scale-visualization really makes a difference.

> > All of those joints must be pegged, 2.5" dia I believe.

> Roughly 1" according to a book I have, but I think more than one peg
> is used.

> > I'm getting ready to venture into the post & beam philosophy myself on
> > a smaller scale.

> Rockin'... I have a feeling, if possibly wrong, that not all P&B uses,
> or can use, the same joinery as regular woodworking, and/or vice-
> versa.

> > Gonna build a drawing table the old fashioned way, 6' long x 3' wide x
> > 30" high and every little thing counts cause the cost of the hardwood,
> > red oak, is astronomical - no room for errors.

> When I'm blading in Vancouver, one of my main routes takes me by a
> small antique shop that sometimes features antique drafting tables in
> the window. They seem popular since they disappear almost as soon as I
> see them. =A0People like adjustable tables and drafting tables are some
> of the most adjustable.

> > I'm shopping for a Stanley 602 plane currently, for the top, that
> > ain't gonna be cheap so I have about $200 set aside for it alone. I
> > already have the chisels for the joinery and they're *scary sharp*,
> > look it up.

> Razorblade.

> > I made my own mallet out of a part of a hickory log from a tree in our
> > front yard that fell over the road last Feb. Turned it on my lathe
> > after I designed it in acad. Works excellent, heavy on the end, maybe
> > 3 lbs, and ergonomically perfect. At least thats how it seems so far.
> > I may have a different opinion after using it for awhile.

> My last name in gaelic means "Son of the Carpenter", so we'll see if I
> can uphold it. Clan motto is "Through difficulties". =A0;)

Go get your feet wet, right now.
Buy a cheap chisel, a sharpening stone, mallet and find a piece of raw
sizeable wood somewhere.
(around here you can get a raw piece along the road)
Figure out what to do then get at it.
In fact, get 2 pieces of wood and choose one of the joints on your
plan and build that joint, to the correct size.
You'll quickly get a feel for whether you like it or not.
I wasn't sure if I'd like lathe work but I had to spend about $500 to
find out.
Since Jan of this year I have more than 800 hours on that lathe.
Didn't know if I'd like stone carving, but right now I have about 50
hours into it over the past 2 weeks.
Whats neat is that you remove only the stuff that doesn't look like
what you want the end result to look like.
You just keep stopping and looking at the thing from all angles and
see what else needs to be removed.
Thats a whole nuther way of looking at stuff.
For example, I built a chair a couple months ago from reclaimed
lumber.
I started with a single piece of wood and had to keep adding stuff
until it looked like a chair.
I didn't do a very good job.
Seems I cut stuff off better than I had stuff on.
The chair functions fine but its not ideal.
My wife loves it, but I know better.
I'll build another one and it will be even better.
Last friday night I sat on a chair I made, with my feet on a stool I
made, my beer set on a table I made and all of it was on the deck I
made.
With my bare hands with no help from anyone, all paid for by me.
Kind of a neat feeling.
Now I need to learn how to make beer, then my world will be complete.
(yeah right) :-)

BTW: All of those things, the chair, footstool and table were built
from the old deck boards I removed from my own house, all weathered
and gray with green algae on the bottom side, so they already look
antique and valuable! LOL

Posted by =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Se=F1ior_Popcor on September 1, 2009, 8:46 pm

wrote:
:

> Go get your feet wet, right now.
> Buy a cheap chisel, a sharpening stone, mallet and find a piece of raw
> sizeable wood somewhere.
> (around here you can get a raw piece along the road)
> Figure out what to do then get at it.
> In fact, get 2 pieces of wood and choose one of the joints on your
> plan and build that joint, to the correct size.
> You'll quickly get a feel for whether you like it or not.

I took a woodworking course in college and have already made some
stuff then and since, if with power tools as oppose to woodworking
hand-tools, except in college, where some chisels were used.

> I wasn't sure if I'd like lathe work but I had to spend about $500 to
> find out.
> Since Jan of this year I have more than 800 hours on that lathe.

Sounds like fun.

> Didn't know if I'd like stone carving, but right now I have about 50
> hours into it over the past 2 weeks.
> Whats neat is that you remove only the stuff that doesn't look like
> what you want the end result to look like.
> You just keep stopping and looking at the thing from all angles and
> see what else needs to be removed.
> Thats a whole nuther way of looking at stuff.

I've done some sculpture in college as well. It was enjoyable, but not
as practical as I'd like.

BTW, 'other' is actually faster to type by one letter than nuther. ;)

> For example, I built a chair a couple months ago from reclaimed
> lumber.

Cool, I did a few things with leftover lumber too, including a spiral
table as a proof-of-concept (very reminiscent of the concept of that
burnt-down house, the construction of which Pierre managed) and a
snake-like sculptural lamp.
Both items got snapped up, but I want to put them online, so they'll
either have to be done again from scratch or simply modelled/rendered
in 3D.

I also did a lamp out of, in part, dial test indicator clamps and
metal rods. Remember that picture I posted awhile back of that
makeshift toilet-flush lever? Well that was leftover from the
project. :D

> I started with a single piece of wood and had to keep adding stuff
> until it looked like a chair.
> I didn't do a very good job.
> Seems I cut stuff off better than I had stuff on.
> The chair functions fine but its not ideal.
> My wife loves it, but I know better.

Soul/spirit counts.

> I'll build another one and it will be even better.
> Last friday night I sat on a chair I made, with my feet on a stool I
> made, my beer set on a table I made and all of it was on the deck I
> made.
> With my bare hands with no help from anyone, all paid for by me.
> Kind of a neat feeling.
> Now I need to learn how to make beer, then my world will be complete.
> (yeah right) =A0 =A0:-)

Well why not? Many people make beer and it's supposed to be similar to
wine in terms of ease-of-creation.
Myself, one of my goals before my grand exit is to make my own
"moonshine"-- at least one batch, just to have done it. Maybe I'll
exit because of it. ;)

> BTW: All of those things, the chair, footstool and table were built
> from the old deck boards I removed from my own house, all weathered
> and gray with green algae on the bottom side, so they already look
> antique and valuable! LOL

I just helped this attractive young woman take an old discarded metal
Ikea futon-bed frame out the "Sept.1st. moving-day throwaway pile".
It's amazing and shameful the stuff they throw away around here in
Ottawa.
While helping, I spotted an old chaise longue (tattered, but with
obvious wooden integrity beneath) and a perfectly-good antique chair
poorly-painted neon-blue.
Take an easy weekend to strip the paint and sand it down and you'd
have something you'd pay quite a bit for in the shops.

There is much wrong with our disposable markets.

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