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Door trims and mouldings MiamiCuse 07-29-2007
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Posted by Michael \(LS\) on July 31, 2007, 12:28 am

>
> >
> >>
> >>> Is there a way to avoid using door trims and mouldings? Personally I
> >>> don't like them, but there has to be a way to solve the door jamb /
> >>> rough drywall edge without using door trims?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> MC
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Couldn't the area be filled in with the same drywall techniques used to
> >> patch a dent or hole, adding on those drywall corner-pieces used to
hold
> >> the compound so as to smooth the corners...?
> >
> > The first time the door gets slammed all the bullshit will fall out on
the
> > floor.
> > Its a very delicate detail, making the surface of the drywall match with
> > the width of the door jamb/head.
> > They make a plastic/aluminum channel that encases the edge of the
drywall
> > so you can get a nice trimmed edge, but again the jamb will move
slightly
> > as the door is used.
> > Also, to conceal the channel you have to float the edge with something
> > like 20 minute mud otherwise you'll see the edge of the plastic.
> > Really, what he wants to do is a custom installation and probably pretty
> > difficult/expensive to get done.
> > One other thing, take a good long look at the pocket end of the door and
> > see whats involved with NOT using casing on that!
> > sheesh.........
> > BTW: When purchasing a standard pocket door automatically buy crawford
> > heavy duty hardware and shitcan the stock stuff that comes with the door
> > package.
> > Otherwise you're doomed to a life of endless frustration and humility.
> >
>
> Yes my trim/moulding and pocket door threads are related. I do use door
> trims, but since I don't really like them, my trims and baseboards are all
> plain 5" wide square edged lumber. However on door openings all the way
on
> one side (perpendicular to another wall), there is not much space on that
> side to accomodate a 5" trim. In that case I am thinking I can do away
with
> trim completely around the doors instead of something asymmetrical. I
> understand it's difficult and may be not the most practical but I don't
see
> another solution.
>
> MC
>
>

What about holding the drywall back 5" and then flush mounting a 1/2" x ?"
(chamfered/radiuses inside edges?). To hide the drywall/trim seam put a
simple wainscot cap there. Then either paint the whole shebang to match the
wall or (IMHO even better) paint the 1x the wall color and the cap a nice
subtly different complimentary shade.

This will still be "casing" but (especially if painted to match the wall
color) will blend with the wall surface much better.

Michael (LS)



Posted by Michael \(LS\) on July 31, 2007, 12:50 am

>
> >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>> Is there a way to avoid using door trims and mouldings? Personally
I
> > >>> don't like them, but there has to be a way to solve the door jamb /
> > >>> rough drywall edge without using door trims?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>>
> > >>> MC
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Couldn't the area be filled in with the same drywall techniques used
to
> > >> patch a dent or hole, adding on those drywall corner-pieces used to
> hold
> > >> the compound so as to smooth the corners...?
> > >
> > > The first time the door gets slammed all the bullshit will fall out on
> the
> > > floor.
> > > Its a very delicate detail, making the surface of the drywall match
with
> > > the width of the door jamb/head.
> > > They make a plastic/aluminum channel that encases the edge of the
> drywall
> > > so you can get a nice trimmed edge, but again the jamb will move
> slightly
> > > as the door is used.
> > > Also, to conceal the channel you have to float the edge with something
> > > like 20 minute mud otherwise you'll see the edge of the plastic.
> > > Really, what he wants to do is a custom installation and probably
pretty
> > > difficult/expensive to get done.
> > > One other thing, take a good long look at the pocket end of the door
and
> > > see whats involved with NOT using casing on that!
> > > sheesh.........
> > > BTW: When purchasing a standard pocket door automatically buy crawford
> > > heavy duty hardware and shitcan the stock stuff that comes with the
door
> > > package.
> > > Otherwise you're doomed to a life of endless frustration and humility.
> > >
> >
> > Yes my trim/moulding and pocket door threads are related. I do use door
> > trims, but since I don't really like them, my trims and baseboards are
all
> > plain 5" wide square edged lumber. However on door openings all the way
> on
> > one side (perpendicular to another wall), there is not much space on
that
> > side to accomodate a 5" trim. In that case I am thinking I can do away
> with
> > trim completely around the doors instead of something asymmetrical. I
> > understand it's difficult and may be not the most practical but I don't
> see
> > another solution.
> >
> > MC
> >
> >
>
> What about holding the drywall back 5" and then flush mounting a 1/2" x ?"
> (chamfered/radiuses inside edges?). To hide the drywall/trim seam put a
> simple wainscot cap there. Then either paint the whole shebang to match
the
> wall or (IMHO even better) paint the 1x the wall color and the cap a nice
> subtly different complimentary shade.
>
> This will still be "casing" but (especially if painted to match the wall
> color) will blend with the wall surface much better.
>
> Michael (LS)
>
>

Another 2 quick ideas:
1. Use an extended jamb, very securely shimmed (and the shims all
recessed - not cut off flush with the jamb). Stop the drywall ~1/2" short
of the jamb. Insert a 3/4" or 1" corner moulding into the gap and tight to
the jamb to cover the end of the drywall.

2. Use an extended jamb with a daido groove for the drywall to die into.

It all boils down to there being lots of different options, but I would be
concerned with "non wood" solutions not being able to withstand normal wear
and tear.

Michael (LS)




Posted by Michael \(LS\) on July 31, 2007, 2:00 pm

> "Michael (LS)"> wrote
> > What about holding the drywall back 5" and then flush mounting a 1/2" x
?"
> > (chamfered/radiuses inside edges?).
>
> The loose edge of the drywall will be flopping in the breeze, unless he
puts
> another stud in the wall to nail it to.
>
>

Yep, when I first typed up that post I had typed ' 1/2" x 5" ' but then
right before sending I decided that I'd leave the width up to the OP so I
changed the "5" to "?".

Depending upon the width, partial blocking or a full stud might need to be
installed. The OP doesn't want trim but he does need to understand what's
involved with anything not "standard". There's a reason why almost all
houses use casing of some kind/size. If he really wants to do away with it
then he's in for a lot of work and expense. If this was new construction
maybe it'd be worth it, but to go and retro-fit all existing window and
doors with his chosen "non-standard casing" choice will be costly and time
consuming.

Michael (LS)



Posted by Kris Krieger on August 2, 2007, 5:23 pm

>
>>
>>> Is there a way to avoid using door trims and mouldings? Personally
>>> I don't like them, but there has to be a way to solve the door jamb
>>> / rough drywall edge without using door trims?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> MC
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Couldn't the area be filled in with the same drywall techniques used
>> to patch a dent or hole, adding on those drywall corner-pieces used
>> to hold the compound so as to smooth the corners...?
>
> The first time the door gets slammed all the bullshit will fall out on
> the floor.
> Its a very delicate detail, making the surface of the drywall match
> with the width of the door jamb/head.

I guess that answers that ;)



> They make a plastic/aluminum channel that encases the edge of the
> drywall so you can get a nice trimmed edge, but again the jamb will
> move slightly as the door is used.
> Also, to conceal the channel you have to float the edge with something
> like 20 minute mud otherwise you'll see the edge of the plastic.
> Really, what he wants to do is a custom installation and probably
> pretty difficult/expensive to get done.
> One other thing, take a good long look at the pocket end of the door
> and see whats involved with NOT using casing on that!
> sheesh.........
> BTW: When purchasing a standard pocket door automatically buy crawford
> heavy duty hardware and shitcan the stock stuff that comes with the
> door package. Otherwise you're doomed to a life of endless frustration
> and humility.
>

I'm still stuck on the notion of whether anyone has used something like
brushed stainless as casements/frames... I have to see whether Google
turns anything up.

- K.


Posted by Michael \(LS\) on August 2, 2007, 10:38 pm

>
> >
> >>
> >>> Is there a way to avoid using door trims and mouldings? Personally
> >>> I don't like them, but there has to be a way to solve the door jamb
> >>> / rough drywall edge without using door trims?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> MC
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Couldn't the area be filled in with the same drywall techniques used
> >> to patch a dent or hole, adding on those drywall corner-pieces used
> >> to hold the compound so as to smooth the corners...?
> >
> > The first time the door gets slammed all the bullshit will fall out on
> > the floor.
> > Its a very delicate detail, making the surface of the drywall match
> > with the width of the door jamb/head.
>
> I guess that answers that ;)
>
>
>
> > They make a plastic/aluminum channel that encases the edge of the
> > drywall so you can get a nice trimmed edge, but again the jamb will
> > move slightly as the door is used.
> > Also, to conceal the channel you have to float the edge with something
> > like 20 minute mud otherwise you'll see the edge of the plastic.
> > Really, what he wants to do is a custom installation and probably
> > pretty difficult/expensive to get done.
> > One other thing, take a good long look at the pocket end of the door
> > and see whats involved with NOT using casing on that!
> > sheesh.........
> > BTW: When purchasing a standard pocket door automatically buy crawford
> > heavy duty hardware and shitcan the stock stuff that comes with the
> > door package. Otherwise you're doomed to a life of endless frustration
> > and humility.
> >
>
> I'm still stuck on the notion of whether anyone has used something like
> brushed stainless as casements/frames... I have to see whether Google
> turns anything up.
>
> - K.
>

Stainless? Like commercial windows & door systems?




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