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Posted by Kris Krieger on August 21, 2007, 5:26 pm
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>>>> I'm still stuck on the notion of whether anyone has used something
>>>> like brushed stainless as casements/frames... I have to see
>>>> whether Google turns anything up.
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>>>> - K.
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>>> Stainless? Like commercial windows & door systems?
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>> Not quite. More like the "brushed nickel" look you see of higher-end
>> lamps
>> or fixtures. I've been toying with it in my head off and on, trying
>> to decide how it might look.
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> I have some picture frames on architectural artwork that has that type
> of look.
> It appears the actual frame itself is molded wood with a *skin* of
> metallic material applied directly over it, conforming to the shape of
> the wood. I have no idea how they make such a thing but it does look
> pretty good. They are that lightly brushed nickel finish you
> mentioned.
Yes, you hit the proverbial nail on its poor battered proverbial head ;)
No, seriously, that's a great example of what I'm picturing. THe shapes
would be fairly sim[ple, but more than just flat plates or square tubes.
((I'm not quite into the "industrial warehouse" sort of thing.))
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> These pieces were recommended by someone in this very group a few
> years ago, can't remember who, or what the site was, but one of them
> is real long, about 5' long, and it has - at the time - the 12 tallest
> buildings in the world, and the other is a cross section through the
> Chrysler building - my poysonal favorite.
> The 5' one cost me an arm and a leg to get framed because I wanted
> glare-free glass in it and that glass alone was a special order
> because of the size and cost over $150.
> Currently they are stored in a closet in the house but when my drywall
> work gets done in the office they will be mounted there.
> The 5 footer will go right over my desk, above the window.
THose sound like great pieces!
I tend to spend a lot on framing, because I have to like something a lot
to actually bother hauling my butt out to the framing shop <LOL!>
Seriously, tho', I go for people who do museum/conservationist-level
work.
I bought some hand-colored copperplates from a Louisian artist - his work
is so fine that it looks like detailed pen-and-ink, and his birds (well,
of course, what'd you expect <L!>) are both artistic, *and* physically
accurate. So I was not about to put those into cheapshit frames!
The thing is that a high-quality frame both preserves and "completes' a
work of art. And adds to its value, tho' for me, the value is in my eye
and in my daily enjoyment of the peices that I make part of my life.
But that 5'-piece sounds great. I'm thinking of doing up a pic in tech-
pen and colored inks in a similar size - about 4.5' wide an dabout 22"
high, of lilypads, with one cream-colored waterlily (not to be conceited,
but I do good work when I sit my arse down and concentrate on doing it),
which I also want to frame in a brushed-metal type of frame.
ANyway, I think that a brushed-metal type of molding, clean/simple but
with a bit of shaping to it, could be great as molding. Again, tho', I
prob need to work it up in 3D ((gotta get back to doing that as the
health continues to improve!)) to see a more "concrete" example, if one
can call computer 3D "concrete" <g!>
I guess I'm just tired of white-painted fir or pine or whatever cheapo
wood gets used. Msot people ooh and ahhh over it, but what can I say,
I'm always wanting something unique...
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>> Mainly, they put in all of this "traditional" (IOW, cheapsh*t that's
>> painted white) molding and ballusters into this place, but my own
>> preference is for uncommon woods/veneers and brushed
>> nickel/stainless/"generally-sorta-silver-colored" metal. I suppose
>> that another way to do it might be with silver leaf. Bronze is also
>> interesting. ((Brass is too, well, cheapy-looking because most brass
>> is just cheesy metallic paint on top of cheesy cheapo metal, so
>> "brass" to me always looks cheap and junky.))
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>> I like the idea of baseboards and soem sort of transition between
>> certain areas or surfaces, but I'm just so sick and tired of the same
>> old same-old cheap-wood or, worse, pressed-wood crap that gets tossed
>> up (when they bother dfoing it at all). So, my mind being what it is
>> and working as it does, I just have been toying with the idea of
>> brushed metal. I dunno, maybe it'd look cheesy as hell...I guess I
>> need to try working it up in 3D.
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Posted by Kris Krieger on August 22, 2007, 1:53 am
> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
>> "Don"> wrote in
>>> These pieces were recommended by someone in this very group a few
>>> years ago, can't remember who, or what the site was, but one of them
>>> is real long, about 5' long, and it has - at the time - the 12
>>> tallest buildings in the world, and the other is a cross section
>>> through the Chrysler building - my poysonal favorite.
>>> The 5' one cost me an arm and a leg to get framed because I wanted
>>> glare-free glass in it and that glass alone was a special order
>>> because of the size and cost over $150.
>>> Currently they are stored in a closet in the house but when my
>>> drywall work gets done in the office they will be mounted there.
>>> The 5 footer will go right over my desk, above the window.
>>
>> THose sound like great pieces!
>>
>> I tend to spend a lot on framing, because I have to like something a
>> lot to actually bother hauling my butt out to the framing shop <LOL!>
>> Seriously, tho', I go for people who do museum/conservationist-level
>> work.
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> Back in the early 80's my brother in law was an art dealer and he got
> my wife and I involved with purchasing some low end pieces of original
> paintings.
> Stuff in the $50 - $200 range.
> Nothing elaborate but stuff we both like, and they were originals, not
> prints.
> But we never did anything with them, just stashed them in a closet.
> Over the years the closet got smaller and smaller.
> When we moved into our new home in 2002 we decided to get some of that
> stuff framed and I was stunned at the cost.
> It seemed like twisted logic to pay $200 for a frame/map system for a
> $50 painting but thats what it took.
> Done right, by someone that knows what they're doing, the frame really
> makes the overall thing pop.
> Done wrong it'll make it flop.
>
True ;) I have no idea whether any of my things will increase in monetary
value (certainly not the clay work that one gang of a$$hole movers broke
=>:-p ), but I get things because I like them. Hell, I've even ramed a
couple of my own things ;) Frames can really tie a group of works to
gether, and/or tie them in with other works (sculpture and the like).
Since I do have a general "style", I don't worry about "matching the frame
to my decor", mostly because the artwork *is* the main decor ;) - and when
the art and frames andso on work together, the rest IMO falls into place
anyway, since I like fairly plain or at least clean-line furniture anyway.
I found a place locally that does some very nice work - they have example
saround the shop, and it's actually very interesting to see some of the
things they've framed - one item is an antique Victorian silver baby spoon,
which sounds a bit dopy but turned out to be very interesting, the way they
did it. They're definitely artisans, so it's worth it, to me, to pay a
bitmore, and get a really fine job done.
But yeah, it can cost a lot. The most expensive frame I've gotten done to
date was about $375 (with tax). But why pay for an original work of art
(esp. by a known artist) and then put it in some piece of cheap crap? All
that happens in that case is that, in addition to looking cheap, the work
becomes physically degraded...
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Posted by Kris Krieger on August 27, 2007, 1:20 am
> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
>> True ;) I have no idea whether any of my things will increase in
>> monetary value (certainly not the clay work that one gang of a$$hole
>> movers broke =>:-p ),
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> Don't get me started on movers.
> I will NEVER, EVER do that again.
> We will never know the magnitude of the loss.
>
I've moved more times than I have fingers and toes. I hate it. You have
to pack ALL of the valuable things YOURSELF. And I swear that they
purposfully bang around anything that has "fragile" writen on it. I have a
3'X2.5' stained glass window, and each time it's been moved, it's gotten
another crack in one of the glass sections. I think that nezxt time, i'll
pack it in a crate I make myself, and **FED-EX** it. I've never had any
computers or even plants <!> damaged by Fed-Ex, or UPS. But movers... ugh!
One group of morons took a piece of art ceramic and literally just put it,
unwrapped, into a box with tools and stuff. I mean, how stupid can a human
being be, and still walk on two legs...? It's just unbelievable. But the
absolute worst are the "corporate movers", where the company handles all of
the moving details - then they *really* don't give a sh*t, becuase they
know that they'll get pain no matter what.
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Posted by Kris Krieger on August 21, 2007, 5:27 pm
> "Michael (LS)"> wrote
>> Speaking of baseboards..... (if we weren't we are now!):
>>
>> I personally like large baseboards (8"+). Another cool looking
>> "baseboard"
>> is to do it out of sheetrock (10"-12" high with an angled, flat or
>> chamfered
>> top edge), textured and painted to match the rest of the wall and
>> then just
>> use a wood shoe. I have kids though so I need the wood baseboards to
>> keep the walls from being completely destroyed!
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> Ha! Yeah, lets talk baseboards.
>
> I likes me a nice stout baseboard assembly.
> Halfway up the wall ain't to high for me.
> But seriously, I like to stack em and thats exactly what I'm gonna do
> in my house.
> I'll start with a 1x12, right up against the wall, than in front of
> and at the bottom I'll have a 1x4.
> Then at the bottom of that a 3/4" quarter round.
>
> Now, my lovely spouse has informed that a 3/4" reveal at the top
> simply won't do, as it'll collect enough dust to grow taters.
> So I'll cap the whole thing with a 1/2" quarter round.
>
> I might even come along and do a 1/2" half round on the face of the
> 1x12, or maybe do a single flute with the router, dunno.
> I want stout, but clean and uncluttered.
>
> That, my friend, will be a baseboard system to behold.
> Of course I'll have to match that setup with appropriate door and
> window casing and then the tradition crown, chair rail and bed rail.
> We have 9' ceilings so this shouldn't appear too busy.
> I'm fond of wainscoting too, 'specially beadboard, or raised panel.
>
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OK, brushes metal/steel/nickel was weird enough ;) - is there such a thing
as *stone* used as baseboard?
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Posted by MiamiCuse on August 21, 2007, 10:14 pm
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>> "Michael (LS)"> wrote
>>> Speaking of baseboards..... (if we weren't we are now!):
>>>
>>> I personally like large baseboards (8"+). Another cool looking
>>> "baseboard"
>>> is to do it out of sheetrock (10"-12" high with an angled, flat or
>>> chamfered
>>> top edge), textured and painted to match the rest of the wall and
>>> then just
>>> use a wood shoe. I have kids though so I need the wood baseboards to
>>> keep the walls from being completely destroyed!
>>
>> Ha! Yeah, lets talk baseboards.
>>
>> I likes me a nice stout baseboard assembly.
>> Halfway up the wall ain't to high for me.
>> But seriously, I like to stack em and thats exactly what I'm gonna do
>> in my house.
>> I'll start with a 1x12, right up against the wall, than in front of
>> and at the bottom I'll have a 1x4.
>> Then at the bottom of that a 3/4" quarter round.
>>
>> Now, my lovely spouse has informed that a 3/4" reveal at the top
>> simply won't do, as it'll collect enough dust to grow taters.
>> So I'll cap the whole thing with a 1/2" quarter round.
>>
>> I might even come along and do a 1/2" half round on the face of the
>> 1x12, or maybe do a single flute with the router, dunno.
>> I want stout, but clean and uncluttered.
>>
>> That, my friend, will be a baseboard system to behold.
>> Of course I'll have to match that setup with appropriate door and
>> window casing and then the tradition crown, chair rail and bed rail.
>> We have 9' ceilings so this shouldn't appear too busy.
>> I'm fond of wainscoting too, 'specially beadboard, or raised panel.
>>
>>
>>
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> OK, brushes metal/steel/nickel was weird enough ;) - is there such a thing
> as *stone* used as baseboard?
>
I have stone tiled baseboards in the house I am in now while I am remodeling
the other one.
Speaking of the other house, there is no trim or mouldings on all exterior
doors, I never give it a thought until recently when I am gutting it out I
noticed the outside corners were all finished with 2x galvanized angles (not
corner beads), the drywall on one side and the wood door frame on the other
side were routed to the thickness of the angle to make it perfectly flushed,
then painted over to the same color as the door frame.
Is this a metal door frame (trim)?
http://www.modernus.com/Doors/Doordetailedpages/plusv.jpg
MC
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