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Exposed AC duct work? MiamiCuse 05-05-2007
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Posted by MiamiCuse on May 8, 2007, 1:50 am

>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I am trying to figure out how I can cool my living room.
>>>>>
>>>>> The living room is about 35' x 20', it has a A-framed roof with a
>>>>> vault ceiling. That looks like this:
>>>>>
>>>>>
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w67/143house/family%20room/M994684_501_22.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> This room is very hot due to the fact that it has three sets of glass
>>>>> doors that opens to the pool, and there is only one AC vent from one
>>>>> wall. I think I need to add a few ceiling fans as well as a few
>>>>> additional ac vents.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it is logical to hang the ceiling fans off the middle beam
>>>>> that runs across the room.
>>>>>
>>>>> But how do I go about adding vents? I think there is no solution but
>>>>> to construct some sort of a exposed duct work right? I am not sure it
>>>>> would look right though. Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Is there any way to knock out the solar gain from the doors?
>>>> What's behind those walls?
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MichaelB
>>>> www.michaelbulatovich.ca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Three walls are lined with wood panels. The one to the right side with
>>> windows is an exterior wall. There is nothing behind the wood panels,
>>> no insulation. The exterior wall is a solid poured concrete wall, then
>>> furing strips are attached to the wall, then the wood panels on the
>>> furing strips. No insulation whatsoever.
>>>
>>> Opposite to that exterior wall is a set of sliding glass doors:
>>>
>>> http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w67/143house/courtyard/P1000549.jpg
>>>
>>> On the inside up top is another set of unreachable windows:
>>>
>>> http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w67/143house/family%20room/P1000536.jpg
>>>
>>> I guess I need to see if these windows and doors may be tinted or
>>> insulated better.
>>>
>>> In any case I believe I need more than one AC vent in this big room.
>>
>> You should look at ways of keeping the heat out, too. If you close off
>> the clerestory you'd have a symmetrical room section and a triangular
>> wedge of space to distribute AC. You should talk to a mechanical
>> designer.
>
> Ever thought of getting rid of that dark wood?
>

Yes the wall paneling will go - soon, VERY soon, that is only two projects
away.

MC :)



Posted by RicodJour on May 7, 2007, 11:12 am

MiamiCuse wrote:
> I am trying to figure out how I can cool my living room.
>
> The living room is about 35' x 20', it has a A-framed roof with a vault
> ceiling. That looks like this:
>
>
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w67/143house/family%20room/M994684_501_22.jpg
>
> This room is very hot due to the fact that it has three sets of glass doors
> that opens to the pool, and there is only one AC vent from one wall. I
> think I need to add a few ceiling fans as well as a few additional ac vents.
>
> I think it is logical to hang the ceiling fans off the middle beam that runs
> across the room.
>
> But how do I go about adding vents? I think there is no solution but to
> construct some sort of a exposed duct work right? I am not sure it would
> look right though. Any thoughts?
>
> Yes, carpets and drapes and wood paneling WILL go, soon.

Adding vents would assuredly require upsizing the system. Reworking
an old system, running duct, trying to hide the duct...I don't see
it. It might work if you have an older AC unit. There are rebates
from the utility companies for upgrading to a higher SEER unit.

Look into mini split ACs. They're easy to install, flexible, and
could be used to supplement the existing system as needed. Some of
the newer interior units, the wall hung part, are about 24" square and
project from the wall about five inches. You could hide it with a
picture if it bothered you.

If there's no insulation above that wood ceiling, and I'm sure there's
not, you really can't cool that room adequately with AC alone. The
radiant heat from the ceiling would make you uncomfortable even if the
air temperature at people level was acceptable.

Those clerestory windows should certainly be utilized. Swapping out
the handles for hooks so you can use an extension wand is a no-
brainer. They also make retrofit motorized operators that can be
ganged together. Push a button they all open or close. That would
take advantage of the natural chimney effect of the cathedral ceiling
and might allow you to reduce your AC bill substantially.

It's not an either/or proposition. I think you'd need to use both AC,
added insulation and the clerestories whenever possible to make it
work.

R


Posted by Warm Worm on May 7, 2007, 4:19 pm
> MiamiCuse wrote:
> > I am trying to figure out how I can cool my living room.
>
> > The living room is about 35' x 20', it has a A-framed roof with a vault
> > ceiling. That looks like this:
>
> >http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w67/143house/family%20room/M994684...
>
> > This room is very hot due to the fact that it has three sets of glass doors
> > that opens to the pool, and there is only one AC vent from one wall. I
> > think I need to add a few ceiling fans as well as a few additional ac vents.
>
> > I think it is logical to hang the ceiling fans off the middle beam that runs
> > across the room.
>
> > But how do I go about adding vents? I think there is no solution but to
> > construct some sort of a exposed duct work right? I am not sure it would
> > look right though. Any thoughts?
>
> > Yes, carpets and drapes and wood paneling WILL go, soon.

If you're going to use uncolored aluminum venetians, or even the
modern woodens or these "fabric" ones (that slide up instead of down),
they might go well with an exposed oversized metal duct with stylish
downward-pointing circular vents and make the space look more
contemporary and feel more relaxed.

> Adding vents would assuredly require upsizing the system. Reworking
> an old system, running duct, trying to hide the duct...I don't see
> it.

Yes, it seems a little problematic, and why work with something you
want to change in other ways anyway?

> It might work if you have an older AC unit. There are rebates
> from the utility companies for upgrading to a higher SEER unit.
>
> Look into mini split ACs. They're easy to install, flexible, and
> could be used to supplement the existing system as needed. Some of
> the newer interior units, the wall hung part, are about 24" square and
> project from the wall about five inches. You could hide it with a
> picture if it bothered you.

I wonder how sexy they are though. Who says ventilation can't be sexy?

> If there's no insulation above that wood ceiling, and I'm sure there's
> not, you really can't cool that room adequately with AC alone. The
> radiant heat from the ceiling would make you uncomfortable even if the
> air temperature at people level was acceptable.

Which makes sense to insulate the ceiling and drywall it. I'm curious
about the rooftop, too, because I hear they can contribute a fair
degree to heating the inside, depending on the color and materials,
and also heard of people somehow making them a lighter color for less
radiation absorption.

> Those clerestory windows should certainly be utilized. Swapping out
> the handles for hooks so you can use an extension wand is a no-
> brainer. They also make retrofit motorized operators that can be
> ganged together. Push a button they all open or close. That would
> take advantage of the natural chimney effect of the cathedral ceiling
> and might allow you to reduce your AC bill substantially.

Most definitely.

> It's not an either/or proposition. I think you'd need to use both AC,
> added insulation and the clerestories whenever possible to make it
> work.

I wonder if the chimeny, itself, could somehow be repurposed for AC,
too. I mean, it's yet another route out for air.


Posted by MiamiCuse on May 8, 2007, 1:53 am

> "Warm Worm"> wrote
>> I wonder how sexy they are though. Who says ventilation can't be sexy?
>
> I did a preliminary design for a model home for a developer and he got
> frustrated with the inadequate purty pictures and stood up and pointed at
> the master bedroom on the floorplan and said, 'I want sex in the bedroom'
> then he pointed at the kitchen and said, 'I want sex in the kitchen' and
> he did that with each of the primary areas, including the entry porch,
> foyer, pool area, etc.
>
> It was hard to stifle a laugh cause this dood was about 400 lbs and
> envisioning him having sex at all was enough to make you chuckle out loud
> (COL).
>

How did you deliver the sex he wants?

MC



Posted by MiamiCuse on May 8, 2007, 1:59 am

>
> MiamiCuse wrote:
>> I am trying to figure out how I can cool my living room.
>>
>> The living room is about 35' x 20', it has a A-framed roof with a vault
>> ceiling. That looks like this:
>>
>>
http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w67/143house/family%20room/M994684_501_22.jpg
>>
>> This room is very hot due to the fact that it has three sets of glass
>> doors
>> that opens to the pool, and there is only one AC vent from one wall. I
>> think I need to add a few ceiling fans as well as a few additional ac
>> vents.
>>
>> I think it is logical to hang the ceiling fans off the middle beam that
>> runs
>> across the room.
>>
>> But how do I go about adding vents? I think there is no solution but to
>> construct some sort of a exposed duct work right? I am not sure it would
>> look right though. Any thoughts?
>>
>> Yes, carpets and drapes and wood paneling WILL go, soon.
>
> Adding vents would assuredly require upsizing the system. Reworking
> an old system, running duct, trying to hide the duct...I don't see
> it. It might work if you have an older AC unit. There are rebates
> from the utility companies for upgrading to a higher SEER unit.
>
> Look into mini split ACs. They're easy to install, flexible, and
> could be used to supplement the existing system as needed. Some of
> the newer interior units, the wall hung part, are about 24" square and
> project from the wall about five inches. You could hide it with a
> picture if it bothered you.
>
> If there's no insulation above that wood ceiling, and I'm sure there's
> not, you really can't cool that room adequately with AC alone. The
> radiant heat from the ceiling would make you uncomfortable even if the
> air temperature at people level was acceptable.
>
> Those clerestory windows should certainly be utilized. Swapping out
> the handles for hooks so you can use an extension wand is a no-
> brainer. They also make retrofit motorized operators that can be
> ganged together. Push a button they all open or close. That would
> take advantage of the natural chimney effect of the cathedral ceiling
> and might allow you to reduce your AC bill substantially.
>
> It's not an either/or proposition. I think you'd need to use both AC,
> added insulation and the clerestories whenever possible to make it
> work.
>
> R
>

I am planning on a multi-prone approach.

Since I am removing the wood paneling on the walls, I will insulate the
walls before I put drywall up.

I am going to find a way to get a few AC vents in there. The AC unit most
definitely needs to be upgraded but that's ok, it's 10 years beyond it's
useful life and it needs to be replaced anyways.

Two to three ceiling fans will be installed.

I have to take a closer look at the clerestory windows. I may have to make
screens for them and I never tried to open them, I will see if a extender
wand can be found and make it possible to open them.

I have to tint the sliding glass doors and the windows.

After that I will do an assessment and see. If it's still hot then I have
to consider supplemental wall units as well as replacing the sliding glass
doors with good quality glass doors.

Thanks!

MC



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