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Floorplan Input Sanbar 03-30-2008
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Posted by Chuck News on April 2, 2008, 2:41 am

>>
>>>>
>>>>> Barry:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sanbar wrote:
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm trying to integrate my 16' high foyer with the 12' areas around
>>>>>> it. I think a hard drop from 16' to 12' going into the kitchen area
>>>>>> may look a little harsh. The area over the stairway is open which
>>>>>> means we have to come up with a way to design the ceiling to get a
>>>>>> nice flow from 16' to 12'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://lewismediagroup.com/ads/Floor%20Plan%20Mar%2008.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Barry
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a nicely drawn Floor Plan.
>>>>>
>>>>> You would benefit by a Reflected Ceiling Plan. A composite RCP would
>>>>> show all ceiling heights, features, openings, skylights, door and
>>>>> window headers, air control devices, sprinklers, lighting fixtures,
>>>>> electrical switching/dimmer controls, circuit lines, and possibly
>>>>> paint and finish materials.
>>>>>
>>>>> A floor plan is for the floor and walls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ralph Hertle
>>>>
>>>> Why is it called a *reflected* ceiling plan?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think it's because it is what the ceiling looks like as you would see
>>> it if the floor was a mirror.
>>
>> Gets confusing, to the unnitiated.
>> In other words, the ceiling plan is in *plan* view, the way I've always
>> drawn them.
>> In other-other words, a floorplan looks like it does if it is reflected
>> in a mirrored ceiling?
>> Ralphs way would certainly clear things up, but a well drawn floorplan
>> would do that as well.
>> I only do ceiling plans on really complicated ceilings, like when there
>> are coffers, trays, vaults, step up/downs, etc. that tend to clutter up a
>> standard floorplan.
>> In complex plans I seperate out the dimensions from the notes and make 2
>> floorplans, 1 is called Dimensional Floorplan (dimensions only) and the
>> other is called Schematic Floorplan (notes and other riff-raff).
>>
>
> I work with Reflected Ceiling drawings all the time. In schools, the
> lighting layout and mechanical stuff is pretty critical and needs to be
> all mapped out. Not too bad if it is in a house where there may be only
> one light to a ceiling, but important when you have 5 rows of 6 banks of
> light. We also tend to use a lot of soffits in places like the admin
> areas. This stuff is probably more taken care of by some sort of
> electrical plan (as I remember when I did houses).
>
> Basically, yes, the ceiling is drawn exactly as the plan view is drawn,
> but as you are looking down onto the plan, you are really looking up at
> the ceiling. If you were to draw everything as if you were actually
> looking up, everything would be reversed, thus it is reflected so it looks
> the same as the plan.
>
> --
> Edgar

Wait until you need to do a ceiling plan for a hospital then you know what a
ceiling plan is......

CID...


Posted by RicodJour on April 2, 2008, 8:15 am
>
> Wait until you need to do a ceiling plan for a hospital then you know what a
> ceiling plan is......

I've been in hospitals bored out of my mind looking at the ceiling -
it didn't seem all that interesting to me.

R

Posted by Edgar on April 2, 2008, 11:11 am
>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Barry:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sanbar wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm trying to integrate my 16' high foyer with the 12' areas around
>>>>>>> it. I think a hard drop from 16' to 12' going into the kitchen area
>>>>>>> may look a little harsh. The area over the stairway is open which
>>>>>>> means we have to come up with a way to design the ceiling to get a
>>>>>>> nice flow from 16' to 12'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://lewismediagroup.com/ads/Floor%20Plan%20Mar%2008.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Barry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a nicely drawn Floor Plan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You would benefit by a Reflected Ceiling Plan. A composite RCP would
>>>>>> show all ceiling heights, features, openings, skylights, door and
>>>>>> window headers, air control devices, sprinklers, lighting fixtures,
>>>>>> electrical switching/dimmer controls, circuit lines, and possibly
>>>>>> paint and finish materials.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A floor plan is for the floor and walls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ralph Hertle
>>>>>
>>>>> Why is it called a *reflected* ceiling plan?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think it's because it is what the ceiling looks like as you would see
>>>> it if the floor was a mirror.
>>>
>>> Gets confusing, to the unnitiated.
>>> In other words, the ceiling plan is in *plan* view, the way I've always
>>> drawn them.
>>> In other-other words, a floorplan looks like it does if it is reflected
>>> in a mirrored ceiling?
>>> Ralphs way would certainly clear things up, but a well drawn floorplan
>>> would do that as well.
>>> I only do ceiling plans on really complicated ceilings, like when there
>>> are coffers, trays, vaults, step up/downs, etc. that tend to clutter up
>>> a standard floorplan.
>>> In complex plans I seperate out the dimensions from the notes and make 2
>>> floorplans, 1 is called Dimensional Floorplan (dimensions only) and the
>>> other is called Schematic Floorplan (notes and other riff-raff).
>>>
>>
>> I work with Reflected Ceiling drawings all the time. In schools, the
>> lighting layout and mechanical stuff is pretty critical and needs to be
>> all mapped out. Not too bad if it is in a house where there may be only
>> one light to a ceiling, but important when you have 5 rows of 6 banks of
>> light. We also tend to use a lot of soffits in places like the admin
>> areas. This stuff is probably more taken care of by some sort of
>> electrical plan (as I remember when I did houses).
>>
>> Basically, yes, the ceiling is drawn exactly as the plan view is drawn,
>> but as you are looking down onto the plan, you are really looking up at
>> the ceiling. If you were to draw everything as if you were actually
>> looking up, everything would be reversed, thus it is reflected so it
>> looks the same as the plan.
>>
>> --
>> Edgar
>
> Wait until you need to do a ceiling plan for a hospital then you know what
> a ceiling plan is......
>
> CID...

Some of our administration areas can be pretty interesting.

--
Edgar



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Posted by Chuck News on April 2, 2008, 2:37 am

>
>> Barry:
>>
>> Sanbar wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I'm trying to integrate my 16' high foyer with the 12' areas around it.
>>> I think a hard drop from 16' to 12' going into the kitchen area may look
>>> a little harsh. The area over the stairway is open which means we have
>>> to come up with a way to design the ceiling to get a nice flow from 16'
>>> to 12'.
>>>
>>> http://lewismediagroup.com/ads/Floor%20Plan%20Mar%2008.pdf
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Barry
>>
>>
>>
>> That's a nicely drawn Floor Plan.
>>
>> You would benefit by a Reflected Ceiling Plan. A composite RCP would show
>> all ceiling heights, features, openings, skylights, door and window
>> headers, air control devices, sprinklers, lighting fixtures, electrical
>> switching/dimmer controls, circuit lines, and possibly paint and finish
>> materials.
>>
>> A floor plan is for the floor and walls.
>>
>> Ralph Hertle
>
> Why is it called a *reflected* ceiling plan?
>

Because you are look up at it. Or, you are looking down at the floor and
the ceiling plan is reflected. or.............
Usually you are looking down and drawing a reflection of the ceiling.
Sometimes called a ceiling plan.

CID...


Posted by Sanbar on April 8, 2008, 12:59 pm
Hi Everyone,

I was out of town while all the replies happened. Sorry for not chiming in
with answers to anyone's questions. The ceiling is indeed 16'. It was
recently changed.

The stairs go to the 9' basement. After seeing what another builder did, I
am probably going to stay with 90 degree walls and leave everything basic.
I'll raise the arch to the great room so it is about 11' in the center.

I'm always open to ideas. I think the piano legs, raising the ballusters to
the ceiling and gold plating several things certainly have merit.

Thanks for all the replies.

Barry



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