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For the global warming agnostics Michael Bulatovich 01-07-2008
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Posted by Kris Krieger on January 28, 2008, 2:40 am

>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>>>>>>> http://climatedebatedaily.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spend a little time at http://www.climateaudit.org and you'll
>>>>>> quickly realize that there is much of the stuff listed under
>>>>>> "Climate Debate Daily" "Calls to action" is severely flawed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have been there.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Also much of it isn't climate related, but based on zero growth
>>>>>> theories.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.nationalpost.com/most_popular/story.html?id=164002
>>>>>
>>>>> This is more or less my short term position on the issue. I have
>>>>> quite a bit of confidence in homo sapiens sapiens' ability to
>>>>> adapt, but I still grieve for the irretrievable losses. My gut
>>>>> tells me we are at least partially responsible....
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> THe problem is that Global Warming and Pollution have become
>>>> interchangeable. They aren't - related, yes; interchangeable, no.
>>>
>>> The current Canadian government tried to use the substitution of
>>> pollution reduction (smog) for carbon emissions in a relation to
>>> Kyoto targets. That drove me nuts. Smog is one thing, runaway
>>> greenhouse effect is another. Now that it is so oligopolistic,
>>> mainstream media is failing us as the fourth estate.
>>
>> I don;t even think it's that - I think it's the general reduction of
>> quality (and intelligence) in journalism. THere are a lot fo news
>> stories that sound to me like some crappy little report that any
>> 78th- grader could write after spending maybe a half-hour on the
>> internet. The level of both writing and research has been steadily
>> decreasing. IWO, what I suspect is that very *very* few people in
>> the mainstream media have any idea whatsoever of what the difference
>> is between smog, and greenhouse gasses. They just repeat what
>> someone else said or wrote, and if that someone was a dooflolly,
>> well.....
>
> We only differ as to the root cause of it, with you thinking it a bit
> more innocent than me.
>

Oh, not innocent - rude is prob. a better word ;) . It's just that, as
I've gotten older, I increasingly realize that most peole just are not
smart enough to perpetrate some ofthe plots/conspircies attributed to
them by others.


Posted by Warm Worm on January 22, 2008, 2:51 am
Kris Krieger wrote:
> They just repeat what someone else said or wrote, and
> if that someone was a dooflolly, well.....

A what?

Posted by RicodJour on January 7, 2008, 7:46 pm
> "3D Peruna"> wrote
>
> > Michael Bulatovich wrote:
> >>http://climatedebatedaily.com/
>
> > Spend a little time athttp://www.climateaudit.organd you'll quickly
> > realize that there is much of the stuff listed under "Climate Debate
> > Daily" "Calls to action" is severely flawed. Also much of it isn't
> > climate related, but based on zero growth theories.
>
> >http://www.nationalpost.com/most_popular/story.html?id=164002
>
> I knew that one would drag Paul out in the open. LOL
> This one gets me:
> We are in for a minimum of 90 more years of warming no matter how many
> Hummers are junked in favor of Priuses.
>
> HA!
> Read something awhile back where someone put the numbers to it.
> Yes, on a day to day basis the Prius whips the Hummers ass.
> But over the long haul, from start to finish, the Prius costs something like
> 3 times as much as the Hummer.
> Sometimes things aren't what they appear.

Especially when you start mangling the stuff you read and reiterate it
as an offsetting fact.

The study you read calculated the total environmental vehicle impact -
including manufacturing, operating expenses, emissions, waste handling
of the dead vehicle, etc. - not just the mileage. The big surprise,
for some, is that the 'green' vehicles aren't necessarily all that
green when you look at the larger picture. The best vehicles overall
were small, cheap-to-produce, easy-to-recycle vehicles. The Scion
brand did particularly well. The Hummer did not.

R

Posted by Michael Bulatovich on January 8, 2008, 9:04 am

>> "3D Peruna"> wrote
>>
>> > Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>> >>http://climatedebatedaily.com/
>>
>> > Spend a little time athttp://www.climateaudit.organd you'll quickly
>> > realize that there is much of the stuff listed under "Climate Debate
>> > Daily" "Calls to action" is severely flawed. Also much of it isn't
>> > climate related, but based on zero growth theories.
>>
>> >http://www.nationalpost.com/most_popular/story.html?id=164002
>>
>> I knew that one would drag Paul out in the open. LOL
>> This one gets me:
>> We are in for a minimum of 90 more years of warming no matter how many
>> Hummers are junked in favor of Priuses.
>>
>> HA!
>> Read something awhile back where someone put the numbers to it.
>> Yes, on a day to day basis the Prius whips the Hummers ass.
>> But over the long haul, from start to finish, the Prius costs something
>> like
>> 3 times as much as the Hummer.
>> Sometimes things aren't what they appear.
>
> Especially when you start mangling the stuff you read and reiterate it
> as an offsetting fact.
LOL

> The study you read calculated the total environmental vehicle impact -
> including manufacturing, operating expenses, emissions, waste handling
> of the dead vehicle, etc. - not just the mileage. The big surprise,
> for some, is that the 'green' vehicles aren't necessarily all that
> green when you look at the larger picture. The best vehicles overall
> were small, cheap-to-produce, easy-to-recycle vehicles. The Scion
> brand did particularly well. The Hummer did not.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_17/b4031064.htm

Tatas for the masses!



Posted by Kris Krieger on January 10, 2008, 1:46 pm

>
> .
>>> "3D Peruna"> wrote
>>>
>>> > Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>>> >>http://climatedebatedaily.com/
>>>
>>> > Spend a little time athttp://www.climateaudit.organd you'll
>>> > quickly realize that there is much of the stuff listed under
>>> > "Climate Debate Daily" "Calls to action" is severely flawed. Also
>>> > much of it isn't climate related, but based on zero growth
>>> > theories.
>>>
>>> >http://www.nationalpost.com/most_popular/story.html?id=164002
>>>
>>> I knew that one would drag Paul out in the open. LOL
>>> This one gets me:
>>> We are in for a minimum of 90 more years of warming no matter how
>>> many Hummers are junked in favor of Priuses.
>>>
>>> HA!
>>> Read something awhile back where someone put the numbers to it.
>>> Yes, on a day to day basis the Prius whips the Hummers ass.
>>> But over the long haul, from start to finish, the Prius costs
>>> something like
>>> 3 times as much as the Hummer.
>>> Sometimes things aren't what they appear.
>>
>> Especially when you start mangling the stuff you read and reiterate
>> it as an offsetting fact.
>>
>> The study you read calculated the total environmental vehicle impact
>> - including manufacturing, operating expenses, emissions, waste
>> handling of the dead vehicle, etc. - not just the mileage. The big
>> surprise, for some, is that the 'green' vehicles aren't necessarily
>> all that green when you look at the larger picture. The best
>> vehicles overall were small, cheap-to-produce, easy-to-recycle
>> vehicles. The Scion brand did particularly well. The Hummer did
>> not.
>
> Dangit, wish I would have kept the article.
> Scion and others aside, the Hummer was less expensive than the Prius,
> thats all the thing was about, no other cars were in the article.
>

Expensive to the owner, or expensive in terms of waste/environmental
impact?


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