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House Hunters MiamiCuse 05-19-2008
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Posted by Troppo on May 27, 2008, 10:06 am

Gone a bit OT but never mind ...

[snip]

>> I broke a tile trying to lever a
>> hearthstone up - using a tracklayers bar I found buried in the back
>> yard. Where I also found a motor bike buried. When the railway
>> workshops closed, anything not screwed down disappeared apparently.
>
> Buried, huh. I guess it's one way to get stuff out of sight when one
no
> longer wahts it. Sort of like buried treasure for later inhabitants ;)
>
> It makes sense in a way that people would take whatever trhey could
use,
> onc somethign is abandoned. In a way, it's sad, becasue it's hard to
> piece together the history afterwards, but one can't say it isn't
> *practical*.

In a way - but in WW2 the local Home Guard were given a box of hand
grenades which didn't get handed back at the end of the war.

Found the hard way by a farmer's plough. He survived but the plough was
scattered everywhere ...

Another questionable practice - numerous drums of railway-issue bitumen
squirelled away in the attics of the houses. Not too bad maybe - unless
there was a fire. The fire-separating walls in the roofspaces had all
been knocked through to install electric cable, hadn't been bricked up
again, so if one house had gone up the rest would have been history.
>
>>
>>> THe boiler ash part also is interesting. THe building that was
>>> described sounded like an interesting thing overall.
>>
>> The place was thought to be a bit rough. Paid 3,500 sterling for the
>> house in 1978. Sold up in '86 for about 2.5 times what we paid for it.
>> The terraces are probably heritage listed by now and worth a bomb ...
>>
>> There had been a Roman fort just up the slope above the tavern, and
>> Llewelyn, last Prince of Wales, was buried just up the road a bit.
>> (Well his body was apparently. His head was sent to London.)
>>
>
> THat's the thing that amazes be about Europe and Asia, the thousands of
> years of history that can turn up almost (sometimes?) literally in
> one's back yard.

I sort of miss it in way, but it was often a problem - every time a job
involved digging a hole.there was always a chance of finding something,
then everything being put on hold until the archeologists finished
checking it out. Human remains anywhere.meant an inspection by the
Coroner. I was on a job once where we found the skeletons of 5 dead
miners in a drift mine shaft. We knew they'd been there a while as there
were cages with canary bones in them. So whatever it was, gas or a tunnel
collapse, had happened before the miner's safety lamp was invented, about
1832. Also found a Roman septic (wastewater) system. Pattern of stone
arched tunnels a few feet down, near the site of a Roman fort. Still in
good order and operational. When a farmhouse was built centuries later on
the same site, they must have found the old ceramic pipes, and connected
their ablution facilities into them.

Charnel pits would get exposed from time to time - places where the
victims of Beubonic Plague were buried - hundreds of them at a time.

> The Americas were settled so mocu more recently, and worse, much of
> what there was of the first cultures was obliterated - a lot of the
> things they made and used, of course, were also ephemeral.

Similarly here in Australia. But here in Townsville we have General
McArthur's bunker, complete with operations room and metre-thick concrete
walls. Still in good shape - part of my department's offices are there,
and the bunker is used by the Council for storing files.

There are places on the coast north of here where there are miniature
under-sea mountains built entirely of jeeps, trucks, etc - pushed over
the side of supply ships.


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Posted by Kris Krieger on May 28, 2008, 5:51 pm

>
> Gone a bit OT but never mind ...
>
> [snip]
>
>>> I broke a tile trying to lever a
>>> hearthstone up - using a tracklayers bar I found buried in the back
>>> yard. Where I also found a motor bike buried. When the railway
>>> workshops closed, anything not screwed down disappeared apparently.
>>
>> Buried, huh. I guess it's one way to get stuff out of sight when one
> no
>> longer wahts it. Sort of like buried treasure for later inhabitants
>> ;)
>>
>> It makes sense in a way that people would take whatever trhey could
> use,
>> onc somethign is abandoned. In a way, it's sad, becasue it's hard to
>> piece together the history afterwards, but one can't say it isn't
>> *practical*.
>
> In a way - but in WW2 the local Home Guard were given a box of hand
> grenades which didn't get handed back at the end of the war.
>
> Found the hard way by a farmer's plough. He survived but the plough
> was scattered everywhere ...

Holy cow... ;)

I saw some clips re: people (builders, excavators, etc.) still finding
unexploded bombs in London. Scary stuff.

>
> Another questionable practice - numerous drums of railway-issue
> bitumen squirelled away in the attics of the houses. Not too bad maybe
> - unless there was a fire. The fire-separating walls in the roofspaces
> had all been knocked through to install electric cable, hadn't been
> bricked up again, so if one house had gone up the rest would have been
> history.

=:-o

It's one thing to use discarded stuff that's useable, but it's a bit
crazy to keep soem stuff. OTOH, took a couple years to break my
styrofoam meat tray thing (used to run 'em through the dishwasher and
stack them in the garage...), so I can't make *too* much fon of
"collectors" <ahem!!>


>>
>>>
>>>> THe boiler ash part also is interesting. THe building that was
>>>> described sounded like an interesting thing overall.
>>>
>>> The place was thought to be a bit rough. Paid 3,500 sterling for the
>>> house in 1978. Sold up in '86 for about 2.5 times what we paid for
>>> it. The terraces are probably heritage listed by now and worth a
>>> bomb ...
>>>
>>> There had been a Roman fort just up the slope above the tavern, and
>>> Llewelyn, last Prince of Wales, was buried just up the road a bit.
>>> (Well his body was apparently. His head was sent to London.)
>>>
>>
>> THat's the thing that amazes be about Europe and Asia, the thousands
>> of years of history that can turn up almost (sometimes?) literally in
>> one's back yard.
>
> I sort of miss it in way, but it was often a problem - every time a
> job involved digging a hole.there was always a chance of finding
> something, then everything being put on hold until the archeologists
> finished checking it out. Human remains anywhere meant an inspection
> by the Coroner. I was on a job once where we found the skeletons of 5
> dead miners in a drift mine shaft. We knew they'd been there a while
> as there were cages with canary bones in them. So whatever it was, gas
> or a tunnel collapse, had happened before the miner's safety lamp was
> invented, about 1832. Also found a Roman septic (wastewater) system.
> Pattern of stone arched tunnels a few feet down, near the site of a
> Roman fort. Still in good order and operational. When a farmhouse was
> built centuries later on the same site, they must have found the old
> ceramic pipes, and connected their ablution facilities into them.

A bit bizarre but also interesting to read about (tho' I wouldn't be very
interested in finding human remains under my foundation...)

>
> Charnel pits would get exposed from time to time - places where the
> victims of Beubonic Plague were buried - hundreds of them at a time.

Not very pleasant. But historic (?historical?) I guess...

>
>> The Americas were settled so mocu more recently, and worse, much of
>> what there was of the first cultures was obliterated - a lot of the
>> things they made and used, of course, were also ephemeral.
>
> Similarly here in Australia. But here in Townsville we have General
> McArthur's bunker, complete with operations room and metre-thick
> concrete walls. Still in good shape - part of my department's offices
> are there, and the bunker is used by the Council for storing files.

Doug's DUgout, eh? ;) Kind of interesting tho'.

>
> There are places on the coast north of here where there are miniature
> under-sea mountains built entirely of jeeps, trucks, etc - pushed over
> the side of supply ships.
>

One would think that'd have dire effects on the sea life. But don't a
lot of sunken ships and so on, even metal warships, get turned into reefs
by sea critters...? I guess it might be interesting to scuba dive around
some of thiose, to see both what people discarded, and the abodes that
sea critters turn it into.

(I often think I'd like to havea long visit in Australia - but I'm afraid
I'd never want to leave once I got there ;) )






Posted by EDS on May 25, 2008, 12:58 pm


>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nmbexcuse> wrote
>>>>>>>> don't like carpets, does not work in hot/humid Florida anyways.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well somebody must have thought otherwise cause carpet has been
>>>>>>> everywhere in FL since the early 70's.
>>>>>>> Everyhouse we lived in had carpet cept the last one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, they are ALL wrong. I am right :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We got a type of tile in this house that feels, dunno how to
>>>>> describe it, almost "fuzzy" when you walk on it, because it's
>>>>> ceramic but not super- smooth. It sounds odd because I don't knwo
>>>>> how to describe it well, but it's actually pleasant. I never much
>>>>> liked the shiny/slick tile - even tho' it's easy to clean, you
>>>>> still have to keep up with the grout.
>>>>>
>>>>> WHich brings up a question I've long had: why does tile *need8
>>>>> grout lines in the first place? Why not a very thin bit of cualk
>>>>> and jam them up close to one another? Is grout supposed to be
>>>>> "decorative", or is ther ea physical reason for the grout spacing?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We had a house in Mid-Wales UK, built in 1875 by a railway company.
>>>> Cavity brick walls (9" and 4 1/2", 2" cavity, slate damp courses).
>>>> Expanding footings went down maybe 6ft or more - never managed to
>>>> dig far enough down to find the foundations. The houses needed a
>>>> degree of earthquake-proofing with heavy steam engines and coal
>>>> trains passing by. The back kitchen/living room floor was "quarry"
>>>> tiles ( 6" by 1/2" ceramic) laid over about a foot of compacted
>>>> boiler ash. No grout, no gap. Still servicable 110 years later. Only
>>>> problem was if a single tile cracked, then you needed to replace it
>>>> quickly before the adjacent tiles started to creep.
>>>> The place also had very hard 8" by 3/4" concrete skirtings all round
>>>> the internal walls.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wow, I wish I could see that!!, do you have any photos?
>>>
>>
>> That quarry tile was probably Welsh "Heather Brown" by Denis Reuben
>> (sp). An old high school classmate of mine began importing it in the
>> late 50's as a lark. It is indestructible. He hit it rich when the new
>> Boston City Hall was built with all public areas paved with the tile,
>> and it still looks good 42 years later. I put it in the first floor of
>> my Boston House, and 27 years later it was untouched. Stays clean with
>> a light mopping. Around here it can be purchased from Shep Brown
>> Associates. EDS
>>
>
> Is it installed as was described, with no gap/grout? THat'd be
> interesting to see; it must look like a solid slab of stone. THe boiler
> ash part also is interesting. THe building that was described sounded
> like an interesting thing overall.

I installed it in what is called a "mud job". My original softwood floors
were on 2x12's at 14" oc spanning 13.5' with 2 layers of 1" sheathing (all
full size). House was on piles on filled land, and dead level. I laid down 6
mil plastic on the original sheathing, and then 1.25" mortar bed, leveled it
out, and then laid down the tile in grout with about 1/8" joints. Grouted
the joints, waited a few days, and occupied the floor. The quarry tile has
lovely variances in color ranging from brown-orange to brown purple, often
within one tile. AIR, it is also frostproof, and relatively non-skid.
EDS



Posted by Kris Krieger on May 26, 2008, 3:54 pm

>
>
[snip]
>>
>> Is it installed as was described, with no gap/grout? THat'd be
>> interesting to see; it must look like a solid slab of stone. THe
>> boiler ash part also is interesting. THe building that was described
>> sounded like an interesting thing overall.
>
> I installed it in what is called a "mud job". My original softwood
> floors were on 2x12's at 14" oc spanning 13.5' with 2 layers of 1"
> sheathing (all full size). House was on piles on filled land, and dead
> level. I laid down 6 mil plastic on the original sheathing, and then
> 1.25" mortar bed, leveled it out, and then laid down the tile in grout
> with about 1/8" joints. Grouted the joints, waited a few days, and
> occupied the floor. The quarry tile has lovely variances in color
> ranging from brown-orange to brown purple, often within one tile. AIR,
> it is also frostproof, and relatively non-skid. EDS

Sounds great. I like stone a lot. WE ended up with ceramic tiles because
they're so much less expensive, even cheaper as the grout-gaps are almost a
half-inch :p , but if I could build a place that was built *to last*, I'd
like to be able (budget permitting) to put doen stone, and some hardwood
(recycled, pref.).

Although I'm not one for renovating, I'm always gald some people are, to
preserve some of these gems. It's also neat IMO to see how people in the
past did things. I liked the "bed of boiler ash" tidbit in Troppo's post,
describing that 110+ yr old flooring. REsourceful, IMO ;)



Posted by EDS on May 27, 2008, 6:29 pm



>
>>
>>
> [snip]
>>>
>>> Is it installed as was described, with no gap/grout? THat'd be
>>> interesting to see; it must look like a solid slab of stone. THe
>>> boiler ash part also is interesting. THe building that was described
>>> sounded like an interesting thing overall.
>>
>> I installed it in what is called a "mud job". My original softwood
>> floors were on 2x12's at 14" oc spanning 13.5' with 2 layers of 1"
>> sheathing (all full size). House was on piles on filled land, and dead
>> level. I laid down 6 mil plastic on the original sheathing, and then
>> 1.25" mortar bed, leveled it out, and then laid down the tile in grout
>> with about 1/8" joints. Grouted the joints, waited a few days, and
>> occupied the floor. The quarry tile has lovely variances in color
>> ranging from brown-orange to brown purple, often within one tile. AIR,
>> it is also frostproof, and relatively non-skid. EDS
>
> Sounds great. I like stone a lot. WE ended up with ceramic tiles because
> they're so much less expensive, even cheaper as the grout-gaps are almost
> a
> half-inch :p , but if I could build a place that was built *to last*, I'd
> like to be able (budget permitting) to put doen stone, and some hardwood
> (recycled, pref.).
>
> Although I'm not one for renovating, I'm always gald some people are, to
> preserve some of these gems. It's also neat IMO to see how people in the
> past did things. I liked the "bed of boiler ash" tidbit in Troppo's post,
> describing that 110+ yr old flooring. REsourceful, IMO ;)
>
>
Mankind has always been resourceful, when allowed. My high school summer job
was at the old Waste pump station on the Island. My first summer we were
still using triple expansion steam engines, the next summer they had
installed 2 diesels (each about the size of an 18 wheeler) running on
methane collected from the main sewer lines (11' diameter). The system was
deemed too expensive to maintain, so was switched to diesel fuel.
Interestingly they are now installing wind generators to run the new plant.
EDS



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