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House Hunters MiamiCuse 05-19-2008
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Posted by Kris Krieger on May 28, 2008, 5:56 pm

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>> [snip]
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>>>> Is it installed as was described, with no gap/grout? THat'd be
>>>> interesting to see; it must look like a solid slab of stone. THe
>>>> boiler ash part also is interesting. THe building that was
>>>> described sounded like an interesting thing overall.
>>>
>>> I installed it in what is called a "mud job". My original softwood
>>> floors were on 2x12's at 14" oc spanning 13.5' with 2 layers of 1"
>>> sheathing (all full size). House was on piles on filled land, and
>>> dead level. I laid down 6 mil plastic on the original sheathing, and
>>> then 1.25" mortar bed, leveled it out, and then laid down the tile
>>> in grout with about 1/8" joints. Grouted the joints, waited a few
>>> days, and occupied the floor. The quarry tile has lovely variances
>>> in color ranging from brown-orange to brown purple, often within one
>>> tile. AIR, it is also frostproof, and relatively non-skid. EDS
>>
>> Sounds great. I like stone a lot. WE ended up with ceramic tiles
>> because they're so much less expensive, even cheaper as the
>> grout-gaps are almost a
>> half-inch :p , but if I could build a place that was built *to
>> last*, I'd like to be able (budget permitting) to put doen stone, and
>> some hardwood (recycled, pref.).
>>
>> Although I'm not one for renovating, I'm always gald some people are,
>> to preserve some of these gems. It's also neat IMO to see how people
>> in the past did things. I liked the "bed of boiler ash" tidbit in
>> Troppo's post, describing that 110+ yr old flooring. REsourceful,
>> IMO ;)
>>
>>
> Mankind has always been resourceful, when allowed. My high school
> summer job was at the old Waste pump station on the Island. My first
> summer we were still using triple expansion steam engines, the next
> summer they had installed 2 diesels (each about the size of an 18
> wheeler) running on methane collected from the main sewer lines (11'
> diameter). The system was deemed too expensive to maintain, so was
> switched to diesel fuel. Interestingly they are now installing wind
> generators to run the new plant. EDS
>

Some waste treatment plants (the tertiary plants) are self-powering -
they use the methane produced during the treatment process. WHen you see
the pits where solids settle out and dry, you see a lot fo tomato plants.
I suppose one doesn't see as many pot plants as used to be seen (they of
course had to destroy those).

The methane from trash dumps can also be used as energy - thre is that
one commercial for Johnson 'n' Johnson, where they tout the ne plant
which is doing that, but in some developing areas, it's becoming fairly
common, if I read correctly, becasue they have a lot of trash but little
money for buying oil.





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Posted by Kris Krieger on May 24, 2008, 11:24 am

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>>>> nmbexcuse> wrote
>>>>> don't like carpets, does not work in hot/humid Florida anyways.
>>>>
>>>> Well somebody must have thought otherwise cause carpet has been
>>>> everywhere in FL since the early 70's.
>>>> Everyhouse we lived in had carpet cept the last one.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, they are ALL wrong. I am right :)
>>>
>>
>> We got a type of tile in this house that feels, dunno how to describe
>> it, almost "fuzzy" when you walk on it, because it's ceramic but not
>> super- smooth. It sounds odd because I don't knwo how to describe it
>> well, but it's actually pleasant. I never much liked the shiny/slick
>> tile - even tho' it's easy to clean, you still have to keep up with
>> the grout.
>>
>> WHich brings up a question I've long had: why does tile *need8 grout
>> lines
>> in the first place? Why not a very thin bit of cualk and jam them up
>> close
>> to one another? Is grout supposed to be "decorative", or is ther ea
>> physical reason for the grout spacing?
>
> Personally I think its a preference decision.
> I don't particularly care for the grout lines.
> Hell, grouts cheap, its the tile thats expensive, so I don't really
> want to see it.
> In our last house we installed ALL tile *real close*, maybe a 1/16"
> grout line and everybody beforehand said it would look like shit.
> Well, afterward those same people were falling all over themselves
> when they saw how good it looked.

More naysayers. The same idiots who told me this, that, and the other
idea was "stupid", and what do I see but solar-powered fountains, and
vertical-blade wind-powered turbines.

People are very good when it comes to insisting somethign "won't work"
for no other reason than it hasn't been done a million times before.
Most, tho', aren't smart enogh to know the difference between
recklessness and innovation.

Personally, I don;t like grout, it looks kind of grungy to me and it's a
pain in th ebucket to deal with - gotta seal teh crap every year or it
sucks up stains like a sponge.

> **Its hard to force the grout between tiny lines.
> I know an architect that put 18x18 bright blue tiles in his gameroom
> and has 3/4" white grout lines.
> Looks like hell, like big graph paper.........

THe image I got in my mind certainly is not appealing to *me* =:-p

> Caveat, the bigger the grout lines the less tile you use, thus a money
> savings. (yeah right)

Works for builders I gues, but IMO, if I wanted to see cement, I'd put in
a cement floor.

ANyhoo, that answers that - Thanks!
Another useful tidbit to add to my file ;)




Posted by Kris Krieger on May 26, 2008, 3:58 pm

> "Ken S. Tucker"> wrote
>> No, not really.
>> It depends on the temperature variation of an
>> expansion joint, such as tar between pieces
>> of concrete slabs or groat between tiles.
>> What is the reason and specifications for groat?
>
> Reason:
> Just a guess mind you but I'd say that 99.99% of residential grout is
> for the purpose of filling the void between the tiles.

ALso, isn't most resedential tile ceramic? Even if it's stone, how much
does either stone ro ceramic tile expand/contract?

I'd also imagine that, if the stuff were to go through extremes, they'd
use, not grout, but somehting like the mastic that was used between the
coping on our pool (which is a type of travartine IIRC) and gets *quite* ho
despite the light colors, and the decking, which is formuated to remain
foot-comfrtable even on days with 100+ degree F temps and a full clodless
day's worth of subtropical (29 deg N) sunlight...


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> Specifications: Whatever it says on the bag.
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Posted by Troppo on May 22, 2008, 4:58 pm

> "EDS"> wrote
>> Boring carpet over better floors. I basicly don't like carpet,
>> probably because I'm not a neatnik, have 3 dogs, and it's easier and
>> cleaner to sweep a hard floor.
>
> Same here, I don't care for carpet for all the regular reasons.
> The only room with carpet in our current house is the master bedroom,
> Berber-in good shape, and its gonna go when the bathroom remodel is
> done. I'll probably put some maple laminate down as thats what we had
> before and really liked it.
> The rest of the house, other than wet areas (tile) has hardwood
> floors-oak. My wife also has some throw rugs littered about the areas.

We go for throw rugs - small enough to chuck in the bath when they get
dirty. Hardwood floor was out of reach; we have sealed and polished
particleboard. Held up for 18 years but now showing its age. Been trying to
find a decent floor polisher, something rugged with a bit of weight.
Trouble is, on Ebay these seem to be regarded as "collector's items". "I
don't want to put it on display - just want to polish the @!##?^& floor".
So I'm going in for laminate as well.


Posted by MiamiCuse on May 23, 2008, 1:34 am

>
>>
>>> "EDS"> wrote
>>>> Boring carpet over better floors. I basicly don't like carpet,
>>>> probably because I'm not a neatnik, have 3 dogs, and it's easier and
>>>> cleaner to sweep a hard floor.
>>>
>>> Same here, I don't care for carpet for all the regular reasons.
>>> The only room with carpet in our current house is the master bedroom,
>>> Berber-in good shape, and its gonna go when the bathroom remodel is
>>> done. I'll probably put some maple laminate down as thats what we had
>>> before and really liked it.
>>> The rest of the house, other than wet areas (tile) has hardwood
>>> floors-oak. My wife also has some throw rugs littered about the areas.
>>
>> We go for throw rugs - small enough to chuck in the bath when they get
>> dirty. Hardwood floor was out of reach; we have sealed and polished
>> particleboard.
>
> Whoa, I'd like to see that as I never saw it before, never even thought of
> it.
> How about the seams, are they OK?

Does it look sort of like "cork floors"?

>
>
> Held up for 18 years but now showing its age. Been trying to
>> find a decent floor polisher, something rugged with a bit of weight.
>> Trouble is, on Ebay these seem to be regarded as "collector's items". "I
>> don't want to put it on display - just want to polish the @!##?^& floor".
>> So I'm going in for laminate as well.
>
> Try a military surplus site.
> Buffers/polishers are used big time in the barracks on the wood floors,
> with Johnson paste wax.
> The big heavy duty models, maybe 24" diameter and will wrench your arm
> outta the socket if you don't have a stout pair.
> Even if you can find one that doesn't work, blow motor, you can put an old
> washer motor on it.
> I wouldn't mind having one laying around.
>



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