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Identify House Style, Please Kami Kitty 12-26-2007
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Posted by Kami Kat on December 27, 2007, 7:38 pm

>
>> On 27 Dec 2007, Kami wrote
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kami Kitty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I need an expert. Or semi-expert. Consensus maybe?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Quirky Remuddled Buncottage"
>>>>
>>>> "Remuddled" is a definition term first coined by the Old House
>>>> Journal in its premier year. I cannot remember the author of
>>>> the term (or it may have been consensus of the entire editorial
>>>> staff. It is one of those terms that has genesis in common
>>>> sense and was coined by many people, but the Old House Journal
>>>> is famous for having popularized contests in having the best of
>>>> remuddling end pictorially in its issues. In this case, the
>>>> house may never have been remuddled at all - It may have been
>>>> designed as we see it, and only appears as if someone put
>>>> siding over the front of the oversized dormers in what would
>>>> otherwise have been a "Cape Cod" and then added "interest" by
>>>> placing single double hung windows off center in each.
>>>> Buncottage is a term I coined for use in my discussions of the
>>>> throwing together the worst nostalgic elements of cottage
>>>> architecture in an inauthentic way, an elision of the terms
>>>> bunco with the word cottage. Cottage as a term is embracing
>>>> a large range of design options but usually denotes something
>>>> livable and family oriented in size, not ostentatious and
>>>> large. This is not a modern buncottage as the double car
>>>> garage is not the prominant frontal element, but recessed,
>>>> rambler style, from the front facade. Another surprising
>>>> askew elements is the proportionally thin Victorian turned
>>>> carved porch posts used to hold the entrance dormer which is
>>>> the same size and shape as the oversized roof dormers.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting analysis. I agree that the spindly little post not
>>> only fail to add anything, but detract from it. I was thinking
>>> in some way it maybe wanted to be a little bit tudor, but got
>>> fearful of trying post and beam.
>>
>> -snip-
>>
>>> So what do you really think it was TRYING to be? Cape Cod?
>>> With brick?
>>
>> I think the problem is that whoever built the poor benighted
>> thing basically didn't have much idea of what stylistic elements
>> are supposed to go with what style (let alone any sense of
>> proportion or balance).
>>
>> So trying to get into their mind to put a stylistic label on it
>> is a bit futile -- I don't think it really knew or knows what
>> it's trying to be, other than a bit of this and a bit of that.
>> The only ones that fit are humorous or derogatory -- the
>> suggested "remuddled" or "Cape Cobbled" work for me.
>>
>> As the others have said, it's actually quite painful and sad to
>> look at. (I even hate the brick they've used.)
>
>
> These sort of houses have become rather common, I call them
> 'Builder Warehouse Homes'.
> I currently live in one though its not as bad as this one.
> Its starts off with a cheap builders idea centered on the word
> *cheap*. Cheap, cheap, cheap.
> Builders always have stuff left over from previous jobs that they
> store in a warehouse, when the warehouse gets full, or the
> builders checkbook gets empty or both, he yanks all that stuff out
> and builds a house, with the full knowledge that todays home buyer
> is largely ignorant and or apathetic to anything farther down the
> road than a 30 second sprint. These homes are plagued with many
> problems from the very beginning and even though the buyer thinks
> he's getting a good deal money wise he is really dealing with an
> adjustable payment plan. Low down payment and low monthly payments
> and then regular payments through constant upgrades and repairs.
> There is never peace of mind in these homes and the owners are
> kept in a continuous state of readiness, despair and broke.
> Whats gonna happen next?
> The smart person, upon pulling up in the driveway under the
> auspice of potentially buying it, would back out onto the street,
> cut the wheel 90 degrees, move forward slightly, light and throw
> the molatov right through the front window and leave about 200' of
> flaming rubber fishtailing down the strasse'.
>
> I'll just go ahead and presume the floorplan is as unworkable as
> the front elevation is hideous.
>
I'm torn between "not really" and "kinda." It's claustrophobic when
you walk in because there's an opening to the left which is the
stairway and it's a solid wall up, no progression with the stair to
keep it open. And there's an opening on the right into the
living/dining. That wall is solid until it end at the kitch/family.
I would be SO tempting to really open it up assuming it's not load-
bearing all the way down. Tempting to carve out some of the
stairway wall, too.

Can you tell this house intrigued me?

On the left farther down is a door to a bedroom. On the right and
left just inside are closets. Why the one closet isn't accessible
from the hall as a coat closet is beyond me. Then there's a BIG
pantry, and the kitchen/family.

The weird thing is, the downstairs bedroom shares a three-quarter
bath with the family room. Jack-and-Jill. I would think you'd want
a powder room accessible WITHOUT going through the bedroom or family
room because you're supposed to be able to let those be messy while
you have the "good" guests in the living area. Who wants to give
them a tour!

Upstairs does not have a clear master. The room are identical, but
reverse, with a Jack-and-Jill full bath in between. I really don't
know if it was always like that or just ill-conceived. I think
that's why he can't sell it.

Also, thinking of what you said, he has these huge Hunter ceiling
fans throughout where the ceiling height doesn't support it.
Decapitation in the waiting. He also has a monster chandelier in
the dining area that I can bonk into at a mere 5'2". Granted,
there's supposed to be a table there, but one can't help but wonder
if he just got a bargain and wanted to make them "selling points."

Just a thought.


--
Don't try to be different. Just be good. To be good is different
enough. -- Arthur Freed

Posted by Kami Kitty on December 28, 2007, 7:06 pm

> Yep, warehouse materials with no regard to harmony overall or in
> part. Our laundry room has white beadboard wainscoting.
> It also has brown decora electrical outlets.
> When was the last time you seen those?
> Me? Never. Didn't even know they made such a thing.
> But it doesn't stop there.
> Those brown outlets have ivory covers.
> WTF???
> White walls, brown outlets, ivory covers.
> As I delved into this house further, doing various repairs,
> upgrades, etc., it became apparent what was going on.
> I have a major remodeling project to undertake on this house and
> with the former premise in mind, I have to have the full arsenal
> on standby because there is no telling beforehand what this will
> entail. Let me clarify, there is no problem with using warehouse
> materials as long as the user has a clear idea of what the end
> result is supposed to be and that the builder has a conscience and
> goal of furthering his career positively.
> Unfortunately, that is not the case much of the time.



I notice while touring that when you enter one of the bedrooms you have
to walk around the door and swing it back to get to the light switch.
I'm not sure how you would fix that. Is it easier to relocate the
switch or flip the door? People just don't think.

We just had our offices refurbished. It's a very old academic
building. Anyway, you enter the space from the hall into a small room,
which is mine, with doors on either side toward the back to get into
the bosses room. We had then close in those doors and relocate then to
the front of the space so I could make better use of the room. In one
of the offices they did that all right... and left the light switch
right smack in the middle of the wall next to where the door used to
be. Brilliance! I tell you, brilliance!

Just try to remind yourself you're on an adventure.

Kami

Posted by Lou on December 28, 2007, 8:54 pm
Any possibilty that this house used to be a ranch at one time?
Probebly a second story added when the family grew or a newer
family moved in. It doesn't make sense for an architect to put
a 12/12 roof on the house and not the garage. Also I would bet
that if you take off the drywall around the offset window, that you
will find that there was another window to go next to it. Quite
possibly
someone broke it before installation or miscounted when buying and
said the heck with it. Also, I see a exhaust stack in the front of the
house
roof. No architect I know would let that be seen from the street.
Lou


Posted by Kami Kitty on December 28, 2007, 11:23 pm

> Any possibilty that this house used to be a ranch at one time?
> Probebly a second story added when the family grew or a newer
> family moved in. It doesn't make sense for an architect to put
> a 12/12 roof on the house and not the garage. Also I would bet
> that if you take off the drywall around the offset window, that
> you will find that there was another window to go next to it.
> Quite possibly
> someone broke it before installation or miscounted when buying and
> said the heck with it. Also, I see a exhaust stack in the front of
> the house
> roof. No architect I know would let that be seen from the street.
> Lou
>
>


Since starting this discussion I did more research into the house. I
also think the second story was added, but I couldn't find a reference
as to its initial incarnation. The appaisal district of a neighboring
county is MUCH more useful than this one. I know that it was like this
when the current owner, now referred to as "flipper," took command and,
as I said, put lipstick on a pig. The greenish comp roof was replaced
to the brick color, and the interior... oh, the interior. It's sad. I
may take a dash out and take some pics if anyone's interested. It's...
interesting.

I think any addition should have been extended over the garage. Given
the fact there is no master due to the upstairs jack-and-jill bath, it
would have been a good idea. But, in the void of that dormer space
there is a small closet. I suppoe they "could have" put in a larger
window if chosing a different tack, but it was refurbished as is.

"as is" is a key word here. The owner indicated the kitchen had been
redone. Umm, no. The kitchen still has really old appliances and the
cabinet fronts were repainted, even over the existing water damage on
some. It's just new hardware and a new 2" tile countertop with wood
trim. The only "real" revamp is the hardwood floor and ceramic time
entry. I guess the baths, too. The sub-flooring entering one of the
upstairs rooms felt spongy under the new carpet so, like the kitchen,
I'm guessing he's going for "out of sight out of mind."

Well, he's out of his mind. I was in the neighborhood looking at the
old ranch houses that looked every bit their 1960s ages, because that's
what I can afford. The median price is $110k. Flipper is asking $135k
for this gem with foundation repair from some guy no one has ever heard
of. But he comes with a lifetime warranty!

Kami

Posted by Lou on December 29, 2007, 7:16 am
But he comes with a lifetime warranty!
>
> Kami


Sooooo, where abouts is this house?

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