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Identify House Style, Please Kami Kitty 12-26-2007
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Posted by Lou on December 30, 2007, 10:08 am

> Yes it does.
> A 12/12 costs more than a lower pitch and if the added space over the garage
> wasn't in the budget why make the roof higher?
>
> I doubt the 2nd floor was added later because most people don't *plan* to
> build a 2nd floor somewhere in the future and thus the infrastructure is not
> in place to support it - larger footing, structural elements in the walls,
> etc.

Don, you may have a point. If only one window per side was affordable
than a
12/12 roof over the garage was out.
However this is a popular design in northern Illinois for second
stories over post
war bungalos. I've done a few. It seems the infrastructures where
built better than
today's. It also makes for a good look without having to match old
brick.
Lou

AppliancePartsPros.com, Inc.
Posted by ++ on December 28, 2007, 2:10 am


HVS wrote:

>On 27 Dec 2007, Kami wrote
>
>
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>>>Kami Kitty wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>>>I need an expert. Or semi-expert. Consensus maybe?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>"Quirky Remuddled Buncottage"
>>>
>>>"Remuddled" is a definition term first coined by the Old House
>>>Journal in its premier year. I cannot remember the author of
>>>the term (or it may have been consensus of the entire editorial
>>>staff. It is one of those terms that has genesis in common
>>>sense and was coined by many people, but the Old House Journal
>>>is famous for having popularized contests in having the best of
>>>remuddling end pictorially in its issues. In this case, the
>>>house may never have been remuddled at all - It may have been
>>>designed as we see it, and only appears as if someone put
>>>siding over the front of the oversized dormers in what would
>>>otherwise have been a "Cape Cod" and then added "interest" by
>>>placing single double hung windows off center in each.
>>>Buncottage is a term I coined for use in my discussions of the
>>>throwing together the worst nostalgic elements of cottage
>>>architecture in an inauthentic way, an elision of the terms
>>>bunco with the word cottage. Cottage as a term is embracing
>>>a large range of design options but usually denotes something
>>>livable and family oriented in size, not ostentatious and
>>>large. This is not a modern buncottage as the double car
>>>garage is not the prominant frontal element, but recessed,
>>>rambler style, from the front facade. Another surprising
>>>askew elements is the proportionally thin Victorian turned
>>>carved porch posts used to hold the entrance dormer which is
>>>the same size and shape as the oversized roof dormers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Interesting analysis. I agree that the spindly little post not
>>only fail to add anything, but detract from it. I was thinking
>>in some way it maybe wanted to be a little bit tudor, but got
>>fearful of trying post and beam.
>>
>>
>
>-snip-
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>
>
>>So what do you really think it was TRYING to be? Cape Cod?
>>With brick?
>>
>>
>
>I think the problem is that whoever built the poor benighted thing
>basically didn't have much idea of what stylistic elements are
>supposed to go with what style (let alone any sense of proportion
>or balance).
>
>So trying to get into their mind to put a stylistic label on it is
>a bit futile -- I don't think it really knew or knows what it's
>trying to be, other than a bit of this and a bit of that. The only
>ones that fit are humorous or derogatory -- the suggested
>"remuddled" or "Cape Cobbled" work for me.
>
>As the others have said, it's actually quite painful and sad to
>look at. (I even hate the brick they've used.)
>
>

I was assuming that it was clad in formstone?


Posted by HVS on December 28, 2007, 2:54 am
On 28 Dec 2007, ++ wrote
> HVS wrote:

>> As the others have said, it's actually quite painful and sad to
>> look at. (I even hate the brick they've used.)

> I was assuming that it was clad in formstone?

That could be; I assumed it was that mix of burnt-and-bright bricks
that's wrongly alleged to give things a "settled" feel.

Whatever it is, it's not nice. Not nice at all....

--
Cheers, Harvey
Architectural and topographical historian



Posted by ++ on December 28, 2007, 11:38 am


HVS wrote:

>On 28 Dec 2007, ++ wrote
>
>
>>HVS wrote:
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>>As the others have said, it's actually quite painful and sad to
>>>look at. (I even hate the brick they've used.)
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>I was assuming that it was clad in formstone?
>>
>>
>
>That could be; I assumed it was that mix of burnt-and-bright bricks
>that's wrongly alleged to give things a "settled" feel.
>
>Whatever it is, it's not nice. Not nice at all....
>
>

formstone is....formstone, a remuddler's dream:



Posted by Ralph Hertle on December 27, 2007, 5:23 am
Kami Kitty:

Kami Kitty wrote:
> I need an expert. Or semi-expert. Consensus maybe?
>
> My sister and I are in a bit of disagreement about what style this
> house is, if any particular style at all. Any input is appreciated.
>
> http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?90b5eff3f7.jpg



In architecture one finds the content, and hence, the value, by means of
the description.

The description is that of the intention of the work. Architects mean
what they design.

Its a mixed style that is based upon a practical New England Salt Box
shape. Forget the garage - that is simply an addition.

The dormers are additions, and the slopes of those roof planes is more
horizontal than vertical - almost 90 degrees, and the proportions are a
little like American Gothic. Even with the small 1960s windows.

You could generalize that certain more vertical slopes are peculiar to
the American Gothic proportions and more horizontal to the ranch style
look. Rarely are 90 degree roof angles found.

The same for the entrance roof line.

The set back of the window dormer gable walls from the line of the first
floor wall produces the roof extension over the large front windows and
entrance. That tells me that the house is of an Eastern 'country' or
'rural' style that often has front roof extensions that are at different
slopes than the main roof. Its every part an American or Canadian house,
although, I wouldn't be surprised if it was located in the South, either.

The horizontal pattern of the brick units resembles the horizontal
patterns of Illinois limestone flagstone veneer, even though the colors
are not the grays and iron yellows of the Illinois stone. The horizontal
stone pattern gives a horizontal ranch type appearance that was popular
in the 1950s and 1960s.

The plan would say more.

In summary, I would label the house a hybrid 1960s New England - Ranch
style house.

The yard and drive are extraordinarily nice. A personal preference of
mine is to relocate the light post to the far right of the driveway. The
Neighbors may agree. I can't identify the object in front of the light
post. Paint it camo green and a partially buried field stone or two
would deal with that. The drive could be stained a coordinating
weathering gray making it 10 percent lower in effect.

My thought would be to bring the colors closer together, except for the
white trim. A white gutter later placed on the front house and garage
roof edges would add slightly stronger uniform horizontal lines. Later I
would evaluate if the gable end siding, upstairs windows and garage
doors, and not the trim would be ok in a dull traditional American
color. Then consider painting the front door leaf in either red or black.

The house may have structural roof problems, and reinforcing would
straighten the top and gable end roof lines. Later, when needed, you may
want to change the roof tile color from a Northern latitude color to a
more nature based gray of some type, or a slate gray. Paint out the roof
vent in matching tile color. In keeping with that I would stain the
brick veneer a thin transparent medium weathering gray or pale white to
coordinate with the roof color. Some brick color may show. An architect
or designer may help with the color and material selections. White trim
is fine.

I hope that you are not taken aback by the additional comments beyond
what you said that you wanted regarding style.

By all means keep the wonderful tree, and everything else the same.

Ralph Hertle
Blue Star Houses LLC, NJ

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