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If Hitler Approached You... Warm Worm 05-11-2007
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Posted by Warm Worm on May 11, 2007, 1:07 am
... as a prospective client, (making the obvious assumptions-- ie,
it's the 30's...) what would you do?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_architecture

Leading question: Would you want to have your portfolio/reputation/?
associated with the subject of the above link?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Ruff
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonhard_Gall
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roderich_Fick
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Grebe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_Klotz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Schultze-Naumburg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Schulte-Frohlinde
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Schmitthenner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Bestelmeyer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_Honig
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Troost
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Giesler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Giesler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Speer



code: lafts.


Posted by Michael Bulatovich on May 11, 2007, 6:30 am
How broke and hungry would I be at the time?

> ... as a prospective client, (making the obvious assumptions-- ie,
> it's the 30's...) what would you do?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_architecture
>
> Leading question: Would you want to have your portfolio/reputation/?
> associated with the subject of the above link?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Ruff
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonhard_Gall
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roderich_Fick
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Grebe
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clemens_Klotz
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Schultze-Naumburg
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Schulte-Frohlinde
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Schmitthenner
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Bestelmeyer
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_Honig
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Troost
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Giesler
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Giesler
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Speer

Too bad, no pictures.



Posted by 3D Peruna on May 11, 2007, 9:48 am
Warm Worm wrote:
> ... as a prospective client, (making the obvious assumptions-- ie,
> it's the 30's...) what would you do?


The problem with these types of questions is that if you're asking it
from the point of view of "being in the period", then we don't have the
hindsight to know.

But, having said that, if I get to be the person I am, just a German,
then I'd have seen the writing on the wall and bailed, so I probably
wouldn't be around for him to have asked...


Posted by =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Se=F1or_Popcorn on May 11, 2007, 6:54 pm
3D Peruna wrote:
> Warm Worm wrote:
>> ... as a prospective client, (making the obvious assumptions-- ie,
>> it's the 30's...) what would you do?
>
>
> The problem with these types of questions is that if you're asking it
> from the point of view of "being in the period", then we don't have the
> hindsight to know.
> But, having said that, if I get to be the person I am, just a German,
> then I'd have seen the writing on the wall and bailed, so I probably
> wouldn't be around for him to have asked...

So on the one hand you don't have the hindsight to know, and yet on the
other you'd have seen the writing on the wall and bailed?

Posted by gruhn on May 12, 2007, 8:45 pm
> from the point of view of "being in the period", then we don't have the
> hindsight to know.

Clearly, at the time ugly ass pseudo Roman bombast was the wave of the
future. Who the heck WOULDN'T want their portfolio associated with it.

Witness this thing going in up the road

http://www.framinghamnatickretail.com/wonderbread/extras/renderings/pressrender1.jpg

It's a rectilinear box with a Gehry bunting.

At least a person could join the Nazi Architecture bandwagon and build
honestly.

Some quotes from the Wiki

- Many Nazi buildings were stages for communal activity

That sounds like something most modern intellectuals can get in to

- This was an attempt to link the German people back to both their
history and their land.

The National Historic Trust tossed with an egalitarian appreciation of
the "red neck." The latter as opposed to an elitist prejudice which is
exactly equivalent to racism. In short, Nazi Architecture was a better
human than 21st C American leftists.

- arrested in the world of his youth: the world of 1880 to 1910,
which stamped its imprint on his artistic taste as on his political
and ideological conceptions

Caught up in the foolish idealism of his youth. Again, the modern
American left should be well able to relate.

- Most Nazi Architecture was neither novel in style nor concept; it
was not supposed to be. Even a cursory inspection of what was intended
for Berlin finds analogies all over the world. Long boulevards with
important buildings along them can be found in the grid pattern road
structures of Washington and New York, the Mall and Whitehall in
London, and the boulevards of Paris. Large domes can be found on the
buildings of the Mughal Empire of India, the Capitol in Washington,
the Pantheon and Basilica di San Pietro in Rome.

Formal architectural mechanisms are not style. I could argue that they
are concept. More to the point, since specific examples are used, they
are, in those contexts for the reasons they appear in said, concept.
In short, big straight roads are grand and glorify the state no matter
where you go, why try something different? The urge to make new things
with little regard to their effectiveness is more a preoccupation of
now.

- This confuses the Nazi dislike of certain styles like the Bauhaus
with a blanket dislike of all modern styles. This was based mainly on
what the Bauhaus and others were seen as representing,

The wiki doesn't mention it, but it is well on record that the Bauhaus
claimed to and was seen as representing socialism. While National
Socialism had "socialism" in its name, it (again, according to
wikipedia) stopped being socialist in practice when it became
Hitlerian in nature. My observation is that the Nazis tended to
specify their hatred towards "Bolshevism."

- To criticize Speer's architectural style is to criticise buildings
being built at the same time all over the world.

See, who WOULDN'T want to be associated with that? I'll repeat - the
urge to make new things with little regard to their effectiveness is
more a preoccupation of now.

- but as symbols of a new Germany

The Constitution is a living document.
I am the decider.
A New American Century
A New World Order
We have to scorn sprawl and embrace New Urbanism
Progressive [sic]


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