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If Hitler Approached You... Warm Worm 05-11-2007
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Posted by Warm Worm on May 12, 2007, 3:50 pm
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>
>
>
> > Se=F1or Popcorn-Coconut wrote:
> >> Marianne Bloss wrote:
> >>> Warm Worm wrote:
>
> >>>> ... as a prospective client, (making the obvious assumptions-- ie,
> >>>> it's the 30's...) what would you do?
>
> >>> There was a documentation on German TV about Albert Speer. He appeared
> >>> to be just like many other architects: ambituous and dedicated to some
> >>> luxury. Watching the story of his life...I couldn't tell what I would=
do
> >>> in this situation...
>
> >> Paul (3D Peruna) does have a point about the retrospective nature of t=
he
> >> question. For me, it might be a question of how much I knew about the
> >> client at the time.
>
> > True, and I also appreciate the other views, but maybe it's too
> > hypothetic a question.
>
> It comes very close to being a troll, as it approaches Godwin's Law.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law
> --

"Godwin's Law does not apply to discussions directly addressing
genocide, propaganda or other mainstays of the Nazi regime..."
[ie., architecture, architects and architectural/historical/moral/
ethical/etc. associations/considerations]
"=2E..Instead, it applies to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic
comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Hitler or
Nazis. However, Godwin's Law can itself also be abused, as a
distraction or diversion, to fallaciously miscast an opponent's
argument as hyperbole, especially if the comparisons made by the
argument are actually appropriate."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law

Nevertheless, Michael, please feel free to swap Hitler for any other
preferred time and character of dubious action and intent if it suits
you to do so, and perhaps you will feel more comfortable with the OP
as being fair, reasonable or valid, or at least less Godwin's-Law-
like. :)


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Posted by Michael Bulatovich on May 12, 2007, 4:15 pm

>
>
>
>
> > Seņor Popcorn-Coconut wrote:
> >> Marianne Bloss wrote:
> >>> Warm Worm wrote:
>
> >>>> ... as a prospective client, (making the obvious assumptions-- ie,
> >>>> it's the 30's...) what would you do?
>
> >>> There was a documentation on German TV about Albert Speer. He appeared
> >>> to be just like many other architects: ambituous and dedicated to some
> >>> luxury. Watching the story of his life...I couldn't tell what I would
> >>> do
> >>> in this situation...
>
> >> Paul (3D Peruna) does have a point about the retrospective nature of
> >> the
> >> question. For me, it might be a question of how much I knew about the
> >> client at the time.
>
> > True, and I also appreciate the other views, but maybe it's too
> > hypothetic a question.
>
> It comes very close to being a troll, as it approaches Godwin's Law.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law
> --

"Godwin's Law does not apply to discussions directly addressing
genocide, propaganda or other mainstays of the Nazi regime..."
[ie., architecture, architects and architectural/historical/moral/
ethical/etc. associations/considerations]

You added that "IE"!

"...Instead, it applies to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic
comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Hitler or
Nazis. However, Godwin's Law can itself also be abused, as a
distraction or diversion, to fallaciously miscast an opponent's
argument as hyperbole, especially if the comparisons made by the
argument are actually appropriate."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law

Nevertheless, Michael, please feel free to swap Hitler for any other
preferred time and character of dubious action and intent if it suits
you to do so, and perhaps you will feel more comfortable with the OP
as being fair, reasonable or valid, or at least less Godwin's-Law-
like. :)

That's ok, my response would probably be the same as before:
"How hungry and broke am I?"

Ask me about people who take 90 days to pay, and I'd have a different
reaction.
--


MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca




Posted by Warm Worm on May 12, 2007, 6:38 pm
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > Se=F1or Popcorn-Coconut wrote:
> > >> Marianne Bloss wrote:
> > >>> Warm Worm wrote:
>
> > >>>> ... as a prospective client, (making the obvious assumptions-- ie,
> > >>>> it's the 30's...) what would you do?
>
> > >>> There was a documentation on German TV about Albert Speer. He appea=
red
> > >>> to be just like many other architects: ambituous and dedicated to s=
ome
> > >>> luxury. Watching the story of his life...I couldn't tell what I wou=
ld
> > >>> do
> > >>> in this situation...
>
> > >> Paul (3D Peruna) does have a point about the retrospective nature of
> > >> the
> > >> question. For me, it might be a question of how much I knew about the
> > >> client at the time.
>
> > > True, and I also appreciate the other views, but maybe it's too
> > > hypothetic a question.
>
> > It comes very close to being a troll, as it approaches Godwin's Law.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law
> > --
>
> "Godwin's Law does not apply to discussions directly addressing
> genocide, propaganda or other mainstays of the Nazi regime..."
> [ie., architecture, architects and architectural/historical/moral/
> ethical/etc. associations/considerations]
>
> You added that "IE"!
>
> "...Instead, it applies to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic
> comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with Hitler or
> Nazis. However, Godwin's Law can itself also be abused, as a
> distraction or diversion, to fallaciously miscast an opponent's
> argument as hyperbole, especially if the comparisons made by the
> argument are actually appropriate."
> --http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law
>
> Nevertheless, Michael, please feel free to swap Hitler for any other
> preferred time and character of dubious action and intent if it suits
> you to do so, and perhaps you will feel more comfortable with the OP
> as being fair, reasonable or valid, or at least less Godwin's-Law-
> like. :)
>
> That's ok, my response would probably be the same as before:
> "How hungry and broke am I?"
>
> Ask me about people who take 90 days to pay, and I'd have a different
> reaction.

Fair enough.


Posted by gruhn on May 12, 2007, 8:19 pm
If President George W. Bush...
If Senator Clinton...
If your state's governor...
If your town's mayor...
If the busybody next door...

> [Link to Nazi Architecture on Wikipedia]
> Leading question: Would you want to have your portfolio/reputation/?
> associated with the subject of the above link?

The question is almost completely bizarre. My portfolio would contain
what I put in it. My reputation would contain some of what other
people put in it. And there's why it's only "almost". Some people
would say "Gruhn built something for a guy who had a lot of stark
rectilinear monumental neo-Roman stuff built, therefore Gruhn's work
must be SRMNR." These people are idiots. If they control my well being
it may well do to pander to them. Perhaps they could be shown my
portfolio. If they don't control my well being they can be ignored.

If one doesn't feel competent to do ones best to satisfy the client's
needs and desires and to be a client advocate in the construction
process then clearly that one should politely decline the commission.

If one feels that architectural practice is about changing the world
to suit ones own twisted views rather than about getting the clients
needs and desires satisfied to the best of ones abilities then clearly
that one should politely decline any commission.

What I most like about that last one is that some people will say "but
he said Hitler, this is an ethics issue!" Yes, yes it is.

How many people who wouldn't build a "death camp" would gladly build a
new NEA office?

Can you think of a way to phrase the question so that it relates to
Aldo Rossi instead of Albert Speer? How does that change the nature of
the question? Can you imagine why I might chose Rossi in particular?




Posted by Warm Worm on May 12, 2007, 9:49 pm
> If President George W. Bush...
> If Senator Clinton...
> If your state's governor...
> If your town's mayor...
> If the busybody next door...
>
> > [Link to Nazi Architecture on Wikipedia]
> > Leading question: Would you want to have your portfolio/reputation/?
> > associated with the subject of the above link?
>
> The question is almost completely bizarre.

LOL

> ...If one doesn't feel competent to do ones best to satisfy the client's
> needs and desires and to be a client advocate in the construction
> process then clearly that one should politely decline the commission.
> If one feels that architectural practice is about changing the world
> to suit ones own twisted views rather than about getting the clients
> needs and desires satisfied to the best of ones abilities then clearly
> that one should politely decline any commission.

Ideally, perhaps, but we both know that's not what actually occurs,
right? The "bizarre" factors in.

> What I most like about that last one is that some people will say "but he said
Hitler, this is an ethics issue!" Yes, yes it is.
>
> How many people who wouldn't build a "death camp" would gladly build a new NEA
office?

I guess we find that out through these kinds of bizarre questions. :)

> Can you think of a way to phrase the question so that it relates to
> Aldo Rossi instead of Albert Speer? How does that change the nature of
> the question? Can you imagine why I might chose Rossi in particular?

You tell me.


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