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Is it possible? GrandTradition 02-24-2007
---> Re: Is it possible? Michael Bulatov...02-25-2007
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Posted by GrandTradition on February 24, 2007, 3:37 pm
It seems to me that there's a disconnect between architecture that
architects prefer and architecture that non-architects prefer,
GENERALLY. For instance, large corporations tend to hire big-name
architects to design new headquarters done up in the avant-garde mode
of design, then the big wigs at that corporation notoriously go home
to Colonial Revival homes. Has anyone heard a good reason for this?

Is there a good reason why architects expect avant-garde designs to
resonate with the rest of the public?

Is there a reason that the architectural industry, as a whole, has
turned its back on traditional design, which is widely recognized,
accepted, and more culturally rooted in our society that avant-garde
alternatives?

I don't mean to be on a soap box here (or maybe I do), but I haven't
gotten more than "We're smart, they're stupid" and "It's reactionary"
from even my smartest colleagues and ex-professors.

Don't architects have a responsibility to the public to create a
recognizable, understandable (familiar), and beautiful built public
envirinment through which to navigate and safely live their lives?

FYI, I have no qualms with avant-garde architecture for personal use
when it's removed from public context.

I hope to learn a thing or two from this large group of practitioners,
teachers, and afficianados.


Best regards,

GFS
GrandTradition.net webmaster


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Posted by on February 25, 2007, 12:54 am
> It seems to me that there's a disconnect between architecture that
> architects prefer and architecture that non-architects prefer,
> GENERALLY. For instance, large corporations tend to hire big-name
> architects to design new headquarters done up in the avant-garde mode
> of design, then the big wigs at that corporation notoriously go home
> to Colonial Revival homes. Has anyone heard a good reason for this?

Economics.

>
> Is there a good reason why architects expect avant-garde designs to
> resonate with the rest of the public?

Because it does.

>
> Is there a reason that the architectural industry, as a whole, has
> turned its back on traditional design, which is widely recognized,
> accepted, and more culturally rooted in our society that avant-garde
> alternatives?

Electric Power.

>
> I don't mean to be on a soap box here (or maybe I do), but I haven't
> gotten more than "We're smart, they're stupid" and "It's reactionary"
> from even my smartest colleagues and ex-professors.

Then your colleagues are not very smart...as for professors, what did
you expect.

>
> Don't architects have a responsibility to the public to create a
> recognizable, understandable (familiar), and beautiful built public
> envirinment through which to navigate and safely live their lives?

No.

>
> FYI, I have no qualms with avant-garde architecture for personal use
> when it's removed from public context.

I have no problem with traditional architecture, when it's old.

>
> I hope to learn a thing or two from this large group of practitioners,
> teachers, and afficianados.

Given your post, I doubt you will.

>
> Best regards,
>
> GFS
> GrandTradition.net webmaster



Posted by GrandTradition on February 25, 2007, 11:25 am
You'll find (if you look) that Joe Public doesn't "get" avant-
gardism. Peolpe know what a church is supposed to look like to read
as a church; the same goes for courthouses and libraries, houses,
office buildings- the typology list is quite long.

If there's no responsibilty to the Public, especially with regard to
public buildings, who's willing to leave a legacy of screwing up the
civic domain because someone paid you to? Think- if I gave you a
million dollars, would you screw up your favorite place with a design
I dominated (as a client)?

No one has spoken to the cultural traditions of a place and how they
are abandoned by non-traditional architecture. See? No one really
seems to give a sh*t!

GFS

On Feb 25, 12:54 am, nom...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
>
> > It seems to me that there's a disconnect between architecture that
> > architects prefer and architecture that non-architects prefer,
> > GENERALLY. For instance, large corporations tend to hire big-name
> > architects to design new headquarters done up in the avant-garde mode
> > of design, then the big wigs at that corporation notoriously go home
> > to Colonial Revival homes. Has anyone heard a good reason for this?
>
> Economics.
>
>
>
> > Is there a good reason why architects expect avant-garde designs to
> > resonate with the rest of the public?
>
> Because it does.
>
>
>
> > Is there a reason that the architectural industry, as a whole, has
> > turned its back on traditional design, which is widely recognized,
> > accepted, and more culturally rooted in our society that avant-garde
> > alternatives?
>
> Electric Power.
>
>
>
> > I don't mean to be on a soap box here (or maybe I do), but I haven't
> > gotten more than "We're smart, they're stupid" and "It's reactionary"
> > from even my smartest colleagues and ex-professors.
>
> Then your colleagues are not very smart...as for professors, what did
> you expect.
>
>
>
> > Don't architects have a responsibility to the public to create a
> > recognizable, understandable (familiar), and beautiful built public
> > envirinment through which to navigate and safely live their lives?
>
> No.
>
>
>
> > FYI, I have no qualms with avant-garde architecture for personal use
> > when it's removed from public context.
>
> I have no problem with traditional architecture, when it's old.
>
>
>
> > I hope to learn a thing or two from this large group of practitioners,
> > teachers, and afficianados.
>
> Given your post, I doubt you will.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Best regards,
>
> > GFS
> > GrandTradition.net webmaster- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



Posted by RicodJour on February 25, 2007, 11:48 am
GrandTradition wrote:
> You'll find (if you look) that Joe Public doesn't "get" avant-
> gardism. Peolpe know what a church is supposed to look like to read
> as a church; the same goes for courthouses and libraries, houses,
> office buildings- the typology list is quite long.
>
> If there's no responsibilty to the Public, especially with regard to
> public buildings, who's willing to leave a legacy of screwing up the
> civic domain because someone paid you to? Think- if I gave you a
> million dollars, would you screw up your favorite place with a design
> I dominated (as a client)?
>
> No one has spoken to the cultural traditions of a place and how they
> are abandoned by non-traditional architecture. See? No one really
> seems to give a sh*t!

Write a pointed letter to your congressman. That should fix things.

R


Posted by Michael Bulatovich on February 25, 2007, 8:27 am

> It seems to me that there's a disconnect between architecture that
> architects prefer and architecture that non-architects prefer,
> GENERALLY. For instance, large corporations tend to hire big-name
> architects to design new headquarters done up in the avant-garde mode
> of design, then the big wigs at that corporation notoriously go home
> to Colonial Revival homes. Has anyone heard a good reason for this?
>
> Is there a good reason why architects expect avant-garde designs to
> resonate with the rest of the public?
>
> Is there a reason that the architectural industry, as a whole, has
> turned its back on traditional design, which is widely recognized,
> accepted, and more culturally rooted in our society that avant-garde
> alternatives?
>
> I don't mean to be on a soap box here (or maybe I do), but I haven't
> gotten more than "We're smart, they're stupid" and "It's reactionary"
> from even my smartest colleagues and ex-professors.
>
> Don't architects have a responsibility to the public to create a
> recognizable, understandable (familiar), and beautiful built public
> envirinment through which to navigate and safely live their lives?
>
> FYI, I have no qualms with avant-garde architecture for personal use
> when it's removed from public context.
>
> I hope to learn a thing or two from this large group of practitioners,
> teachers, and afficianados.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> GFS
> GrandTradition.net webmaster

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