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It's happened before... Michael Bulatovich 11-20-2007
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Posted by Michael Bulatovich on November 20, 2007, 10:00 am
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7093685.stm



Posted by EDS on November 20, 2007, 10:44 am

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7093685.stm
>
Read "Collapse" by Jared Diamond. He carefully and scientifically describes
several past civilizations such as the Anastazi (sp?) in the American
Southwest that failed for similar reasons. A great and somewhat scary read.
What fools our leaders seem to be.
EDS



Posted by Michael Bulatovich on November 20, 2007, 10:51 am

>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7093685.stm
>>
> Read "Collapse" by Jared Diamond. He carefully and scientifically
> describes several past civilizations such as the Anastazi (sp?) in the
> American Southwest that failed for similar reasons. A great and somewhat
> scary read. What fools our leaders seem to be.
> EDS

Not just *our* leaders. There's the case of Easter Island too.



Posted by EDS on November 20, 2007, 11:51 am

>
>>
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7093685.stm
>>>
>> Read "Collapse" by Jared Diamond. He carefully and scientifically
>> describes several past civilizations such as the Anastazi (sp?) in the
>> American Southwest that failed for similar reasons. A great and somewhat
>> scary read. What fools our leaders seem to be.
>> EDS
>
> Not just *our* leaders. There's the case of Easter Island too.
>
That's one of his prime examples. Also the Norse farmers in Southern
Greenland who would not change their lifestyle (cows and sheep) and died off
when the climate got cooler in the 14th century and ships from Europe could
not reach them. He has several example of civilizations that did change
their ways and are still around (Japan in the 16th century, some Pacific
islands).
EDS



Posted by Kris Krieger on November 21, 2007, 2:56 pm

>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7093685.stm
>>
> Read "Collapse" by Jared Diamond. He carefully and scientifically
> describes several past civilizations such as the Anastazi (sp?)

Anasasi, IIRC.

Just for grins: "anastas-" is a Russian word-component referring to the
Ressurection, often used as a name, esp. "Anastasia".


> in the
> American Southwest that failed for similar reasons. A great and
> somewhat scary read. What fools our leaders seem to be.
> EDS

Compare to microbes in a Petri dish containing blood-agar. When you do a
bacterial culture, you use a pre-sized loopto deliver an amount of
innoculated medium onto a Petri plate, and then progressively streak it out
to obtain isolated colonies that can then be used for the purposed of
identification and determination of antibiotic resistance (and further
study, if desired). If you leave the plates in the incubater (as opposed
to sending them to the autoclave), you can see the colonies grow and grow
until either all the nutrients (blood) are used up (plate turns from red,
to the translucent agar color plus some discoloration due to by-products of
the blood digestion), or sometimes, the colonies will spread and spread
untile the surface of the plate is covered, and occasionally, creep partway
up the sides of the dish.

Kid of perverse, in a way, that humans are often no smarter, en masse, than
bacteria...





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