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Laminated beams? nmbexcuse 02-12-2008
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Posted by Chuck News on February 14, 2008, 3:53 am

>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> How strong are laminated beams? Better than solid wood?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a 32' long laminated beam 24" deep about 12" wide sitting on
>>>>> 4x6 steel columns on each end.
>>>>>
>>>>> After 35 years it "looks" ok and is holding up the exposed roof
>>>>> structure.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am wondering if it would be ok to drill three holes through it to
>>>>> hang three heavy ceiling fans. Not sure I want to do that anyways but
>>>>> wondering if that is an option.
>>>>>
>>>>> MC
>>>>
>>>> Don't drill the beam.
>>>> Screw a backer plate on the bottom side of the beam to carry the weight
>>>> of the fan.
>>>> Screw a piece of harmonizing wood vertically on the least visible side
>>>> of the beam with a channel routed in the inside of the piece to conceal
>>>> the conduit for the fan wire.
>>>> I'm presuming you are talking about drilling a hole vertically through
>>>> the beam, right?
>>>> Man, that'd take some kinda drill bit.
>>>> The weight of a couple ceiling fans is inconsequential to the load the
>>>> beam is already carrying.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Don:
>>>
>>> I don't want to drill the beam, as a matter of fact, I am sure if I try
>>> to drill it the hole will not be at 90 degrees when it's done it will be
>>> like 86 degrees and the rod will be slanted. The beam size I mentioned
>>> in the initial post is incorrect, NOT 12x24, but 6.75" W x 16" DEEP.
>>>
>>> I am confused by the backer plate. How is the backer plate going to be
>>> suspended? By the conduit that is off to one side of the beam? Will
>>> the backer plate also be off to one side? I cannot visualize what you
>>> mean.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>
>> I did a quick calculation of a 6.75 X 16 glu lam beam with 2000 psi
>> allowable stress for loading. The section modulus of this beam is 288
>> in^3. The span is 23 ft. This allows for 48 kip-ft moment worst case.
>> the load per foot for a simple beam would be 726 lb/ft loading. If the
>> tributary width/spacing of the beam say 10 feet this allows 73 lb/ft^2
>> loading. Roof loads by code is 20 lb/ft^2 ( no snow ). The beams appears
>> to be quite strong and three fans at 20 lb each or 60 lbs is really
>> nothing. I would contact the manufacturer to find out what the suggested
>> installation will be for your condition and attach it to the beam
>> accordingly.
>>
>> Good luck...
>>
>> CID...
>>
> Chuck: The span is not 23 it's 32ft. Does it change the picture?
> Thanks.

This allows for 48 kip-ft moment worst case.
the load per foot for a simple beam would be 375 lb/ft loading. If the
tributary width/spacing of the beam say 10 feet this allows 37.5 lb/ft^2
loading. Roof loads by code is 20 lb/ft^2 ( no snow ). The beams appears
to be strong and three fans at 20 lb each or 60 lbs is really
nothing. I would contact the manufacturer to find out what the suggested
installation will be for your condition and attach it to the beam
accordingly. The beams appears
to be quite strong and three fans at 20 lb each or 60 lbs is really
nothing. I would contact the manufacturer to find out what the suggested
installation will be for your condition and attach it to the beam
accordingly.

CID...



Posted by MiamiCuse on February 16, 2008, 9:45 pm

>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> How strong are laminated beams? Better than solid wood?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a 32' long laminated beam 24" deep about 12" wide sitting on
>>>>>> 4x6 steel columns on each end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After 35 years it "looks" ok and is holding up the exposed roof
>>>>>> structure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am wondering if it would be ok to drill three holes through it to
>>>>>> hang three heavy ceiling fans. Not sure I want to do that anyways
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> wondering if that is an option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MC
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't drill the beam.
>>>>> Screw a backer plate on the bottom side of the beam to carry the
>>>>> weight of the fan.
>>>>> Screw a piece of harmonizing wood vertically on the least visible side
>>>>> of the beam with a channel routed in the inside of the piece to
>>>>> conceal the conduit for the fan wire.
>>>>> I'm presuming you are talking about drilling a hole vertically through
>>>>> the beam, right?
>>>>> Man, that'd take some kinda drill bit.
>>>>> The weight of a couple ceiling fans is inconsequential to the load the
>>>>> beam is already carrying.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don:
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to drill the beam, as a matter of fact, I am sure if I try
>>>> to drill it the hole will not be at 90 degrees when it's done it will
>>>> be like 86 degrees and the rod will be slanted. The beam size I
>>>> mentioned in the initial post is incorrect, NOT 12x24, but 6.75" W x
>>>> 16" DEEP.
>>>>
>>>> I am confused by the backer plate. How is the backer plate going to be
>>>> suspended? By the conduit that is off to one side of the beam? Will
>>>> the backer plate also be off to one side? I cannot visualize what you
>>>> mean.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>
>>> I did a quick calculation of a 6.75 X 16 glu lam beam with 2000 psi
>>> allowable stress for loading. The section modulus of this beam is 288
>>> in^3. The span is 23 ft. This allows for 48 kip-ft moment worst case.
>>> the load per foot for a simple beam would be 726 lb/ft loading. If the
>>> tributary width/spacing of the beam say 10 feet this allows 73 lb/ft^2
>>> loading. Roof loads by code is 20 lb/ft^2 ( no snow ). The beams
>>> appears to be quite strong and three fans at 20 lb each or 60 lbs is
>>> really nothing. I would contact the manufacturer to find out what the
>>> suggested installation will be for your condition and attach it to the
>>> beam accordingly.
>>>
>>> Good luck...
>>>
>>> CID...
>>>
>> Chuck: The span is not 23 it's 32ft. Does it change the picture?
>> Thanks.
>
> This allows for 48 kip-ft moment worst case.
> the load per foot for a simple beam would be 375 lb/ft loading. If the
> tributary width/spacing of the beam say 10 feet this allows 37.5 lb/ft^2
> loading. Roof loads by code is 20 lb/ft^2 ( no snow ). The beams appears
> to be strong and three fans at 20 lb each or 60 lbs is really
> nothing. I would contact the manufacturer to find out what the suggested
> installation will be for your condition and attach it to the beam
> accordingly. The beams appears
> to be quite strong and three fans at 20 lb each or 60 lbs is really
> nothing. I would contact the manufacturer to find out what the suggested
> installation will be for your condition and attach it to the beam
> accordingly.
>
> CID...
>
>

Thanks Chuck much appreciated.

MC



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