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NASA's New 'Lesson' from Space Mac the Nice 08-17-2007
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Posted by Fred J. McCall on August 18, 2007, 1:33 pm

:
:Finally, thankfully, the manned space program will come to an end.
:

Then so will the unmanned space program. Good luck with that...


--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
man persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore,
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
--George Bernard Shaw

Posted by jcon on August 19, 2007, 2:46 pm
> jcon wrote:
> > Better yet, bag the whole shuttle program. With the cancellation of
> > the AMS experiment, the last tenuous claim that the ISS would do
> > "science" vanished. Now, as Bob Park says "NASA must complete
> > the ISS so it can be dropped into the ocean on schedule in finished
> > form."
>
> The "science" claim to justify the manned space program has evaporated.
> With news of drunk astronauts and unhinged/jealous astronauts, so has
> the "national prestige" argument. What's left?
>

If you think alcoholism and emotional immaturity preclude science,
you haven't known a lot of scientists, so I'm willing to cut them
some slack on that one :)

I'm more worried that after 35+ years of "space science",
about 95% of the experiments are still described as "studying
the effects of zero gravity on XXX". The CAM (Centrifuge
Accommodations Modules) could have even added some
science to *that*, by allowing them to control small amounts
of gravity - but of course that was canceled so there'd be plenty
of money to launch teachers and such.

-jc


> We beat the Russians to the moon. The urge to relive past glories is
> strong, and has kept the manned space program funded ever since. But
> the Evil Empire is no more, and the cockeyed dream of returning to the
> moon is as pointless as it is fraught with peril. With the bill soon
> coming due for the Iraq war, there's no way it's going to get funded.
>
> Finally, thankfully, the manned space program will come to an end.



Posted by Brian Thorn on August 17, 2007, 9:41 pm
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:19:10 -0500, "Mac the Nice"


>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003840413_shuttle17.html
>
>"The astronauts had spent much of the day running through the
>never-before-attempted repair methods, just in case they were ordered up."
>
>While procrastination continues to dog necessary repairs for Hubble, even as
>essential weather satellites are on the verge of going out of commission
>with nothing on the agenda to replace them,

Jeez... one stupid little research satellite (launched as the first of
its kind in 1999), is approaching its end of life with no replacement,
and critics make it out be the end of the weather satellite program
and we're all gonna be doomed by hurricanes. QUIKSCAT will be mourned,
but let's keep perspective here. We still have a fleet of GOES weather
satellites (the ones that provide the cool global weather photos on
News At Six) and the low-orbit weather satellites still have one
last-generation yet to launch before moving on to the new generation
NPOESS. Plus those Earth Observing Satellites ("Mission To Planet
Earth") are still going strong.

And you do realize NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Adminstration) is responsible for weather satellites, not NASA, right?

>somehow, somewhere in the
>administration of the Space Program, there is deemed (in a mentality the
>flavor of Fruit Loops) to be room on the Shuttle for another frivolous,
>trivial, patently asinine "School Teacher in Space" mission

Morgan's a full-fledged astronaut now, and the teacher aspect is her
very-secondary duty. She also operates the robot arm and probably
would have done so had the tile repair been ordered. But let's not let
facts get in the way of a good rant.

>--but no room in
>the crew for a pair of crack space-ship mechanics, let alone an engineer or
>two, to be on board for every mission,

Last I checked, they've already gone out three times on this flight to
install and repair things on the Station, and will do so again on
Saturday. Sounds to me like they have the mechanics if they need them.
But again, we must have our ignorant rant...

>"The chairman of the mission management team, John Shannon, said Johnson
>Space Center's engineering group in Houston wanted to proceed with the
>repairs. But everyone else, including safety officials, voted to skip them."

>How on earth (or in the heavens) can this be happening again, right before
>our eyes?

The "everyone else" are pretty smart, too. And the guys who disented
aren't the guys most familiar with the hardware involved. And those
guys didn't think it was a loss-of-crew situation, just a danger of
time consuming repairs afterwards.

Brian

Posted by Secretia Green on August 17, 2007, 11:00 pm
Good thing the astronauts are keeping the shuttle in good repair, so they
can go up again....and repair it.




> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:19:10 -0500, "Mac the Nice"
>
>
>>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003840413_shuttle17.html
>>
>>"The astronauts had spent much of the day running through the
>>never-before-attempted repair methods, just in case they were ordered up."
>>
>>While procrastination continues to dog necessary repairs for Hubble, even
>>as
>>essential weather satellites are on the verge of going out of commission
>>with nothing on the agenda to replace them,
>
> Jeez... one stupid little research satellite (launched as the first of
> its kind in 1999), is approaching its end of life with no replacement,
> and critics make it out be the end of the weather satellite program
> and we're all gonna be doomed by hurricanes. QUIKSCAT will be mourned,
> but let's keep perspective here. We still have a fleet of GOES weather
> satellites (the ones that provide the cool global weather photos on
> News At Six) and the low-orbit weather satellites still have one
> last-generation yet to launch before moving on to the new generation
> NPOESS. Plus those Earth Observing Satellites ("Mission To Planet
> Earth") are still going strong.
>
> And you do realize NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric
> Adminstration) is responsible for weather satellites, not NASA, right?
>
>>somehow, somewhere in the
>>administration of the Space Program, there is deemed (in a mentality the
>>flavor of Fruit Loops) to be room on the Shuttle for another frivolous,
>>trivial, patently asinine "School Teacher in Space" mission
>
> Morgan's a full-fledged astronaut now, and the teacher aspect is her
> very-secondary duty. She also operates the robot arm and probably
> would have done so had the tile repair been ordered. But let's not let
> facts get in the way of a good rant.
>
>>--but no room in
>>the crew for a pair of crack space-ship mechanics, let alone an engineer
>>or
>>two, to be on board for every mission,
>
> Last I checked, they've already gone out three times on this flight to
> install and repair things on the Station, and will do so again on
> Saturday. Sounds to me like they have the mechanics if they need them.
> But again, we must have our ignorant rant...
>
>>"The chairman of the mission management team, John Shannon, said Johnson
>>Space Center's engineering group in Houston wanted to proceed with the
>>repairs. But everyone else, including safety officials, voted to skip
>>them."
>
>>How on earth (or in the heavens) can this be happening again, right before
>>our eyes?
>
> The "everyone else" are pretty smart, too. And the guys who disented
> aren't the guys most familiar with the hardware involved. And those
> guys didn't think it was a loss-of-crew situation, just a danger of
> time consuming repairs afterwards.
>
> Brian



Posted by Michael Bulatovich on August 18, 2007, 8:37 am
We've got to be approaching the end of the line for the shuttle...How many
more missions are planned with it?
--


MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.ca

> Good thing the astronauts are keeping the shuttle in good repair, so they
> can go up again....and repair it.
>
>
>
>
>> On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:19:10 -0500, "Mac the Nice"
>>
>>
>>>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003840413_shuttle17.html
>>>
>>>"The astronauts had spent much of the day running through the
>>>never-before-attempted repair methods, just in case they were ordered
>>>up."
>>>
>>>While procrastination continues to dog necessary repairs for Hubble, even
>>>as
>>>essential weather satellites are on the verge of going out of commission
>>>with nothing on the agenda to replace them,
>>
>> Jeez... one stupid little research satellite (launched as the first of
>> its kind in 1999), is approaching its end of life with no replacement,
>> and critics make it out be the end of the weather satellite program
>> and we're all gonna be doomed by hurricanes. QUIKSCAT will be mourned,
>> but let's keep perspective here. We still have a fleet of GOES weather
>> satellites (the ones that provide the cool global weather photos on
>> News At Six) and the low-orbit weather satellites still have one
>> last-generation yet to launch before moving on to the new generation
>> NPOESS. Plus those Earth Observing Satellites ("Mission To Planet
>> Earth") are still going strong.
>>
>> And you do realize NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric
>> Adminstration) is responsible for weather satellites, not NASA, right?
>>
>>>somehow, somewhere in the
>>>administration of the Space Program, there is deemed (in a mentality the
>>>flavor of Fruit Loops) to be room on the Shuttle for another frivolous,
>>>trivial, patently asinine "School Teacher in Space" mission
>>
>> Morgan's a full-fledged astronaut now, and the teacher aspect is her
>> very-secondary duty. She also operates the robot arm and probably
>> would have done so had the tile repair been ordered. But let's not let
>> facts get in the way of a good rant.
>>
>>>--but no room in
>>>the crew for a pair of crack space-ship mechanics, let alone an engineer
>>>or
>>>two, to be on board for every mission,
>>
>> Last I checked, they've already gone out three times on this flight to
>> install and repair things on the Station, and will do so again on
>> Saturday. Sounds to me like they have the mechanics if they need them.
>> But again, we must have our ignorant rant...
>>
>>>"The chairman of the mission management team, John Shannon, said Johnson
>>>Space Center's engineering group in Houston wanted to proceed with the
>>>repairs. But everyone else, including safety officials, voted to skip
>>>them."
>>
>>>How on earth (or in the heavens) can this be happening again, right
>>>before
>>>our eyes?
>>
>> The "everyone else" are pretty smart, too. And the guys who disented
>> aren't the guys most familiar with the hardware involved. And those
>> guys didn't think it was a loss-of-crew situation, just a danger of
>> time consuming repairs afterwards.
>>
>> Brian
>
>



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