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Posted by Kris Krieger on May 19, 2008, 4:30 pm
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>>
>>> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
>>>> Just for grins, talking about stained glass and lighting, check
>>>> this out, especially the asking price:
>>>> http://www.glassarttexas.com/product.php?productid=16159&cat=260&pag
>>>> e= 1 &xid=7ded878cc1de5c0741c2c905335a72de
>>>>
>>>> Hmmmmmmm......
>>>
>>> I don't get it.
>>> It doesn't look good to me, at least not in picture view, and
>>> frankly I don't think it would look much better in person.
>>> And that price, $3200, + $360 for shipping?
>>> I like to know if it has sold for that price and if so I'd like to
>>> see a pic of the person that paid for it - I need a good laff.
>>>
>>
>> Well, that's sort-of what I also was thinking. There isn't any
>> indication,
>> from what I can tell, what pieces might have been sold, but the
>> reason I found it curious is this: I'm often amazed at what people
>> can sell, not only in the arts, but written works, music, and pretty
>> much just about *anything*, given that I would never even think of
>> *trying* to sell some of
>> the stuff, because I think it's so amateurish or inferior.
>>
>> Meanwhile, for ever person who *can* make something better, or who
>> *does* have an idea to try, ther eseem to be 100 pea-brained a-holes
>> saying it can't be done, or that the person is a stupid jerk for
>> wanting to try the idea out. I just don't get it - never did, never
>> will. ((WHich is why one
>> of my major soapbox messages to people is "give it a go - you never
>> know until you try" =;-) ))
>>
>> So I figure, heck, if that guy can sell a simple assemblage of fused
>> and painted glass panels ((I'll be taking a Galss Fusing class in
>> June <g!>)), there's no reason I can't sell some stained glass garden
>> lights, eh?
>>
>> <G!>
>>
>> Plus, I had a feeling you'd find the link "amusing" ;)
>
> Here's my take:
> I have hundreds, maybe thousands of creative efforts behind me that
> have never went anywhere.
> Why?
> Because they weren't good enough, and its MY opinion that counts
> first. If it doesn't look good to me, prefect really, than I wouldn't
> dare try to pawn it off on someone else.
That's how I see ti as well, but there are a lot fo people who have no
compunctions about selling stuff that wouldn't pass my own personal
muster.
OTOH, I also have to admit theay are the ones who've been making the
money off their hobbies =:-o
> So I keep trying other things.
> Can't help it man, I always have stuff going on.
> I am always looking for something new, something different, something
> that I can be proud of for what it is all the way through.
THat's the main point, IMO. I also think it's what differentiates an
artist, from a hack. An artist has, and maintains, personal standards,
but a hack will schelp together and then try to sell (and foten succeed!)
any ol' piece of dreck.
> There are hundreds of *artists* around here and most of them aren't
> worth 3 cents as far as I'm concerned, but they all have their stuff
> priced on the moon, then bitch cause it won't sell.
> A little bit of Business 101 please.
> If something won't sell you can either make it better than everything
> else, or price it lower, or both.
Well, the problem is that too many people are convinced that putting a
high price on it *makes* it art, *signifies* it's art. 'T'ain't true.
Now, I have seen a few things which took what I can recognize as being a
*high* level of skill, also a *high* level of creativity, and in those
few cases, the high price is reasonable.
THe other thing is that a lot of people think they are Artists-with-a-
capital-"A", when it's only a case of Inflego (Inflated Ego).
>
> I think its a shame that the person in the link has the where with all
> to possess, and work with, something like fused glass but all he can
> come up with is a piece that is embarrassing and priced to the
> heavens. Seriously, I just don't get it.
> He must have a sugar mamma paying his bills. =D
<LOL!!> An enviable position to be sure ;)
Seriously, tho', I have no idea whetehr he has a kiln, or rents one, but
a kiln is and expensive thing, not only becasue of the original cost, but
also, the energy to heat it. OTOH, some glassworkers will rent out kiln
space - my teacher does that, rents kiln space. Even so, I've seen some
of the things done by some of her other glass-fusing students, and a
couple of them were *really* good - good use of colors, good
understanding of how some of the materials interact, good design, and
good execution.
I think part of it is that some people have an odd view of what does or
doesn't constitute art - some define it based upon price, and others,
based upon "weirdness", but IMO, thre needs to be more to it. I can't
describe just what that "something" is, but it's something one can
recognize even in works that don't personally appeal to one.
In the end, it's all rather odd, this question of what makes art, Art -
which I suppose is part of what keeps the arts'n'crafts world lively ;)
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