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Ping Ken - Resident Librarian RicodJour 05-25-2009
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Posted by RicodJour on May 25, 2009, 10:40 am
Hey, Ken. Have you read A New Kind of Science by Stephen Wolfram? I
think it's up your alley - I haven't read it and was wondering if it's
a worthwhile read.

R

Posted by RicodJour on May 25, 2009, 12:02 pm
> > Hey, Ken. =A0Have you read A New Kind of Science by Stephen Wolfram?
> Excerpts.
> > I think it's up your alley - I haven't read it and was wondering if it'=
s
> > a worthwhile read.
> Probably, it had good reviews. I get the impression
> that Wolfram is respected and a near genius.

Getting a PhD when you're twenty probably eliminates the "near"
descriptor.

> As I understand, the most complex logic can be described
> by NAND gates, for example,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAND_logic
> which are a "univeral gate", as are NOR gates, from which
> the most complex digital mechanism and calculations can
> be reduced to, and found from, even chaotic decisions can
> be sim'd, I've superficially tested that.
> Do you think "intelligence" can be simulated?

Sure, look at Don. =3D:O

Yeah, I think I'll have to pick up the book from the library. I just
found a loophole in the library late fees. You can claim the book as
lost, pay for it, then return it whenever, get your money back, and
pay just a dollar as a late fee. Obviously you're losing interest on
the money, but interest doesn't seem to have much interest in my
interests at the moment.

Wolfram's also got a computer program for the Cellular Automata
examples used in his book so you can play around with it. That's the
one I'd like to get.

R

Posted by creative1985@gmail.com on May 27, 2009, 12:16 pm
> If you have qBasic I have a nifty little program that sims
> lighting a match in a few lines.

Back about '83 I'd lay on the living room floor for days pounding
basic on that VIC20 just to see the look on my kids face when his name
lit up randomly all over the TV screen, then my wife would unplug the
thing to run the vacuum and everything was gone.
Syntax Error line 8364........

Posted by creative1985@gmail.com on May 27, 2009, 12:18 pm
> > > > Hey, Ken. =A0Have you read A New Kind of Science by Stephen Wolfram=
?
> > > Excerpts.
> > > > I think it's up your alley - I haven't read it and was wondering if=
it's
> > > > a worthwhile read.
> > > Probably, it had good reviews. I get the impression
> > > that Wolfram is respected and a near genius.
> > Getting a PhD when you're twenty probably eliminates the "near"
> > descriptor.
> Dunno, jury's out on the terminology. Genius can apply
> to a person's creativity, though often is applied to IQ.http://wilderdom.=
com/intelligence/IQWhatScoresMean.html
> I find many rather bright people have a "gift" or a "knack"
> that I suppose could be called "selective" genius, (talent)?
> Using the term "near" is less judgemental.
> > > As I understand, the most complex logic can be described
> > > by NAND gates, for example,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAND_logic
> > > which are a "univeral gate", as are NOR gates, from which
> > > the most complex digital mechanism and calculations can
> > > be reduced to, and found from, even chaotic decisions can
> > > be sim'd, I've superficially tested that.
> > > Do you think "intelligence" can be simulated?
> > Sure, look at Don. =A0=3D:O
> Good example of "selective genius" aka talent.
> > Yeah, I think I'll have to pick up the book from the library. =A0I just
> > found a loophole in the library late fees. =A0You can claim the book as
> > lost, pay for it, then return it whenever, get your money back, and
> > pay just a dollar as a late fee. =A0Obviously you're losing interest on
> > the money, but interest doesn't seem to have much interest in my
> > interests at the moment.
> Surprisingly, Canada has a good library system, one can order
> a book from any library in the country, free, and email or phone
> for renewal.
> > Wolfram's also got a computer program for the Cellular Automata
> > examples used in his book so you can play around with it. =A0That's the
> > one I'd like to get.
> > R
> If you have qBasic I have a nifty little program that sims
> lighting a match in a few lines.
> I'd have hoped that Wolfram may have provided some
> guidance on the issue of "Artificial Intelligence", maybe
> he has, please keep us posted.
> Ken

Just my opinion, mind you, but intelligence is a uniquely *animal*
thing, neurons and synapses.
Everything else is simulation, mimicry.

Posted by on May 27, 2009, 12:39 pm
> > > Hey, Ken. =A0Have you read A New Kind of Science by Stephen Wolfram?
> > Excerpts.
> > > I think it's up your alley - I haven't read it and was wondering if i=
t's
> > > a worthwhile read.
> > Probably, it had good reviews. I get the impression
> > that Wolfram is respected and a near genius.
> Getting a PhD when you're twenty probably eliminates the "near"
> descriptor.
> > As I understand, the most complex logic can be described
> > by NAND gates, for example,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAND_logic
> > which are a "univeral gate", as are NOR gates, from which
> > the most complex digital mechanism and calculations can
> > be reduced to, and found from, even chaotic decisions can
> > be sim'd, I've superficially tested that.
> > Do you think "intelligence" can be simulated?
> Sure, look at Don. =A0=3D:O
> Yeah, I think I'll have to pick up the book from the library. =A0I just
> found a loophole in the library late fees. =A0You can claim the book as
> lost, pay for it, then return it whenever, get your money back, and
> pay just a dollar as a late fee. =A0Obviously you're losing interest on
> the money, but interest doesn't seem to have much interest in my
> interests at the moment.

Here's another loophole if you use bit torrent:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4190896/270__Popular_Science_Books
I think it includes the one you're interested in as a pdf, and in your
BT client, you should be able to deselect all others but it from the
download list.

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