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Posted by Kris Krieger on July 16, 2007, 11:33 pm
> No wonder they're broke all the time.
> Fatasses spend $700 more per year than non-fatasses on healthcare
> related items.
Etc.
Well, FWIW, I recently learned that I have had sleep apnea. THere are 2
kinds, Obstructive and Central. Obstructive can usually be cured or at
least greatly alleviated by losing weight. I have the other kind. What
it is, is a malfunction, due to a defect of or, most commonly, injury to,
the brainstem, such that it does not send proper automatic "time to
breathe in" signals to the diaphragm.
The obstructive kind can be caused by obesity, but the Central kind can
*cause* obesity, because it screws up the metabolism and the ways in
which the body handles the deposition of fat in the body. (It can also
cause brian damage, stroke, heart attack, poor healing, and other
things.)
For years, I put off having the sleep study because of the up-front
costs. IOW, that "$700" (well, more, actually) that you talk about,
because I had allowed myself to be convinced that I was "nothing more
than" a weener asshole weakling, who couldn't summon the nergy to
exercise enough and go back to living on the sort of semi-starvation diet
my dear ol' "mom" had nme on as a kid.
Well, I got my CPAP jsut a couple days ago, and I am already up and about
a lot more than I'd been able to previously. Yes, the weight I *did* put
on over the past 20 yrs (for the 30+ years before that, I was able to
stay fairly trim) is now my next challenge, but it will be alot easier
now that I'm not in what turned out to be a constant state of hypoxia.
I'm already less achy, more alert, more energetic, and so on.
Yeah, OK, it is true that diet control is amatter of will power, and
some people don't want to exercise that will power - yeah, *some* people
are just lazy. Many, however, don't know *how* to be strong and self-
reliant; a great deal of personal strength or personal weakness does lie
in one's upbringing, and sometimes, people *do* want to be better, but
need some coaching, or even a lot of coaching. IMO, it is not exactly a
great charcter trait to just kick people when they're down but *trying*
to get up.
There are a lot of other factors that are major contributors to obesity,
one being a widespread fundamental lack of knowledge of *scientific
facts* about the body, metabolism, and nutrition. Adn another major
factos is that parents who don't knwo those things tend to end up with
kids who are malnourished, and often, *both* malnourished *and* obese.
Proper nutrition has to start pretty much from birth - and even nursing,
or not nursing, has a great influence - for example, mothers who don't
eat vegetables while pregnant and nursing tend to have a hard time
getting their infants to accept vegetables - because the flavor of the
veggies tends to get into the milk, and kids who get them that way are
accustomed to the flavors of vegetables. And kids raised on formula
don't adapt to many flavors at all. Most people are woefuly ignorant
about nutrition, and unfortunately, get duped into all sorts of absurd
eating habits.
In any event, most people who are obese already know that they have
increased medical problems which can create a financial burden. THey
don't need to be told that. Or I guess that, technically, I ought to say
*we* don't need to be told that - even tho' I carry my weight "well" as
they say, I *am* about 70 lbs overweight, and yup, that counts as obese.
I know I'm fat. I know that I have additional health exoenses (and other
expenses) because of that. I'm not comfortable, I don't like the way I
look, it's exacerbating the arthritis in my spine and knees and hips, and
etc., and so on, and so forth.
I've done a major thing that should help me trim down, and that's my
goal. So, personally, I don't really care one whit or tittle whether Don
or somebody else chooses to point fingers and call me names and get their
jollies by trying to make a mockery of me because I'm overweight. When I
was a kid, I got mocked for being sickly; when I was a teen, I got mocked
for having artistic and intellectual pursuits (heck, I couldn't do sports
and ya gotta do *some*thing, eh?); when I was in college and then was
working, I got mocked because I was "weird" (Asperger's and ADD). And so
on. It used to bother me a lot, esp. since the worst of the mockers were
in my own so-called "family". I was able to get over it, tho', and came
to realize that people who need to get their jollies by mocking my
current weight are no different from all those pathetic losers in the
past.
What *is* sad is that a lot of obese people unfortunately have frail
egos, and many react to mockery using the one stress-reaction they know:
eating. So that social element is one more consideration for many people
when it comes to trying to manage obesity.
Well, no big point - those are just my thoughts on the matter, FWIW ;)
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Posted by ++ on July 17, 2007, 12:25 am
Kris Krieger wrote:
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>>No wonder they're broke all the time.
>>Fatasses spend $700 more per year than non-fatasses on healthcare
>>related items.
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>Etc.
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>Well, FWIW, I recently learned that I have had sleep apnea. THere are 2
>kinds, Obstructive and Central. Obstructive can usually be cured or at
>least greatly alleviated by losing weight. I have the other kind. What
>it is, is a malfunction, due to a defect of or, most commonly, injury to,
>the brainstem, such that it does not send proper automatic "time to
>breathe in" signals to the diaphragm.
>
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>
>
It can be caused by ministrokes, which are sometimes not detected, as
well as larger strokes to the brainstem. What I do understand about
strokes is that whatever got zapped is zapped permanently. But what the
mind does with data is similar to the defragmented drive of a computer -
there are pieces of data here and there, in places that might not have
gotten zapped, so you can get back function you have lost and you can
recover what you think was gone. So.....
But that is only one cause, and the cause with the worst prognosis.
Have you noted the cause yet?:
> Conditions that can cause central sleep apnea include:
>
> * Bulbar poliomyelitis
> * Encephalitis
> <http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001415.htm>
> affecting the brainstem
> * Neurodegenerative illnesses
> * Stroke
> <http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000726.htm>
> affecting the brainstem
>
> Other causes include complications of cervical spine surgery
> <http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002971.htm>,
> secondary radiation in the region of the cervical spine, severe
> arthritis and degenerative changes in the cervical spine or the base
> of the skull, or primary hypoventilation syndrome.
>
> There is a form of central sleep apnea that commonly occurs in people
> with congestive heart failure.
>
.Have there been cases of horse encephalitis in which people are unaware
they have it?
>
>Well, no big point - those are just my thoughts on the matter, FWIW ;)
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>
I hope it resolves itself.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003997.htm
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Posted by Kris Krieger on July 18, 2007, 3:02 am
> Kris Krieger wrote:
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>>>No wonder they're broke all the time.
>>>Fatasses spend $700 more per year than non-fatasses on healthcare
>>>related items.
>>>
>>>
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>>Etc.
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>>Well, FWIW, I recently learned that I have had sleep apnea. THere are
>>2 kinds, Obstructive and Central. Obstructive can usually be cured or
>>at least greatly alleviated by losing weight. I have the other kind.
>>What it is, is a malfunction, due to a defect of or, most commonly,
>>injury to, the brainstem, such that it does not send proper automatic
>>"time to breathe in" signals to the diaphragm.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> It can be caused by ministrokes, which are sometimes not detected, as
> well as larger strokes to the brainstem. What I do understand about
> strokes is that whatever got zapped is zapped permanently. But what
> the mind does with data is similar to the defragmented drive of a
> computer - there are pieces of data here and there, in places that
> might not have gotten zapped, so you can get back function you have
> lost and you can recover what you think was gone. So.....
>
> But that is only one cause, and the cause with the worst prognosis.
> Have you noted the cause yet?:
I suspect either too many childhood illnesses (almost threw the shoe when I
was 2 due to some upper respiratory thing - I was one of the guinea pigs
for tetracycline), or physical trauma as a child and young adult. I
thankfully haven't had any of the things you noted. I've had both EKG and
ECG (echocardiogram), and the ticker is, also thankfully, fine :)
I guess I'm just brain damaged =:-o
At least I get some mileage for stupid jokes out of that <L!>
[ ... ]
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> .Have there been cases of horse encephalitis in which people are
> unaware they have it?
Embarassingly enough, I have no idea...
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Posted by ++ on July 18, 2007, 4:31 pm
Kris Krieger wrote:
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>>Kris Krieger wrote:
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>>>>No wonder they're broke all the time.
>>>>Fatasses spend $700 more per year than non-fatasses on healthcare
>>>>related items.
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>>>Etc.
>>>
>>>Well, FWIW, I recently learned that I have had sleep apnea. THere are
>>>2 kinds, Obstructive and Central. Obstructive can usually be cured or
>>>at least greatly alleviated by losing weight. I have the other kind.
>>>What it is, is a malfunction, due to a defect of or, most commonly,
>>>injury to, the brainstem, such that it does not send proper automatic
>>>"time to breathe in" signals to the diaphragm.
>>>
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>>>
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>>It can be caused by ministrokes, which are sometimes not detected, as
>>well as larger strokes to the brainstem. What I do understand about
>>strokes is that whatever got zapped is zapped permanently. But what
>>the mind does with data is similar to the defragmented drive of a
>>computer - there are pieces of data here and there, in places that
>>might not have gotten zapped, so you can get back function you have
>>lost and you can recover what you think was gone. So.....
>>
>>But that is only one cause, and the cause with the worst prognosis.
>>Have you noted the cause yet?:
>>
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>I suspect either too many childhood illnesses (almost threw the shoe when I
>was 2 due to some upper respiratory thing - I was one of the guinea pigs
>for tetracycline), or physical trauma as a child and young adult. I
>thankfully haven't had any of the things you noted. I've had both EKG and
>ECG (echocardiogram), and the ticker is, also thankfully, fine :)
>
>
If your health plan pays for it, have your brain scanned, see if there
is any minstroke activity shwoing on the films.
>I guess I'm just brain damaged =:-o
>At least I get some mileage for stupid jokes out of that <L!>
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>>.Have there been cases of horse encephalitis in which people are
>>unaware they have it?
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>Embarassingly enough, I have no idea...
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Mosquitos, usually in the south, in Florida for over a decade, cause the
encephalitis which has sometimes as a side effect, effects on the
brain. They were in the US slightly before or concurrent with Tiger
mosquitos that cause West Nile. It's called horse sleeping sickness
colloquially
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/414472_4
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Posted by Kris Krieger on July 19, 2007, 4:58 pm
> Kris Krieger wrote:
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>>I suspect either too many childhood illnesses (almost threw the shoe
>>when I was 2 due to some upper respiratory thing - I was one of the
>>guinea pigs for tetracycline), or physical trauma as a child and young
>>adult. I thankfully haven't had any of the things you noted. I've
>>had both EKG and ECG (echocardiogram), and the ticker is, also
>>thankfully, fine :)
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> If your health plan pays for it, have your brain scanned, see if there
> is any minstroke activity shwoing on the films.
Well the serious answer is that I don't wan tot have unnecessary x-rays -
this is a long-standing thing, which rules out tumors or active disease,
and even if it's surgically repaiable, sleep apnea is not worth the risk,
since the CPAP is doing a great job :)
THe silly answer, of course, is that I don't want any brian scan because
all teh nuts, bolts, screws, and rusty springs would be revealed ;) !
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