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Posted by Kris Krieger on July 19, 2007, 5:36 pm
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>>>>> No wonder they're broke all the time.
>>>>> Fatasses spend $700 more per year than non-fatasses on healthcare
>>>>> related items.
>>>>
>>>> Etc.
>>>>
>>>> Well, FWIW, I recently learned that I have had sleep apnea.
>>>
>>> I recently found out I have a version of that too.
>>> Can't remember the name, it starts with a C.
>>> My wife said I've had it as long as she's known me, but only
>>> recently told me about it.
>>> (Hmmm, what else hasn't she told me???)
>>>
>>> Anyway, apparently I hold my breath while I'm sleeping, then let it
>>> out very slowly.
>>> From what I've read there is no *cure* and lots of other people do
>>> the same thing.
>>> Strange.
>>> Now that I'm aware of it sometimes it wakes me up.
>>> Also, now that I'm aware of it, my wife jabs me when I start doing
>>> it.
>>
>> It can be treated, but if it is Central rather than Obstructive, I
>> don't think there is a "cure". Obstructive can sometimes be cured by
>> surgically reducing the soft palate and uvula, but that's different.
>>
>> Sounds like you ought to have a sleep study done and get a CPAP. It
>> forces air into your nose - the airflow and pressure seem to
>> stimulate the breathing signals.
>>
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>>>>[ blah blah blah ] couldn't summon the nergy to
>>>> exercise enough and go back to living on the sort of
>>>> semi-starvation diet my dear ol' "mom" had nme on as a kid.
>>>
>>> Diet modification.
>>> I've been going throught that myself, for various reasons.
>>
>> Nope, it was a case of skimping so as to skim the food budget for $$
>> to spend on jewelry and other such crap.
>>
>>>
>>>> Well, I got my CPAP jsut a couple days ago, and I am already up and
>>>> about a lot more than I'd been able to previously. Yes, the weight
>>>> I *did* put on over the past 20 yrs (for the 30+ years before that,
>>>> I was able to stay fairly trim) is now my next challenge, but it
>>>> will be alot easier now that I'm not in what turned out to be a
>>>> constant state of hypoxia. I'm already less achy, more alert, more
>>>> energetic, and so on.
>>>
>>> I too sat on my ass for 20+ years, but I was also very active.
>>> For the past year I have been sitting less.
>>> My new desk is tall and I have a tall stool too, so that I can stand
>>> or sit as I see fit.
>>
>> That can actually make a big difference.
>>
>>>> [ blah blah blah]
>>>> Well, no big point - those are just my thoughts on the matter, FWIW
>>>> ;)
>>>
>>> I mainly was talking about the HUGE obese people.
>>> Grossly overweight.
>>> My sister in law is one of them, about 5'5" and 350 lbs or more.
>>> Disgusting.
>>> And she spends considerable time at the doctors and takes all kinds
>>> of medication.
>>> For her own good they should wire her cave shut.
>>>
>>
>> My outlook is something like, "There but for the grace of the Supreme
>> Deity go I..."
>>
>> Also, most of the cases I've seen of extreme obesity are *family*
>> problems where, in some way, family (and/or friends) encourage and
>> support the bad eating habits.
>>
>> Overeating is at once a displacemnt activity, and a self-destructive
>> act.
>>
>> So, although I *have* personally known a couple grossly obese people
>> who were stupid, lazy, and just plain gluttonous, I also know (from
>> my admittedly brief education/experience in nursing, and my
>> coursework in physiology, psychology, and sociology) ((not to
>> "brag"!, just to point out exactly why I have certain ideas on the
>> topic)) that the problem is often, if not mostly, quite a bit more
>> complex than that.
>>
>> Also, I feel personally obliged to *try* (albeit certainly not always
>> successfully) to avoid being judgemental, because, although it's easy
>> to judge obese people as being merely weak-willed, I can't
>> legitimately claim that I'm qualified to make that judgement, since
>> my own life has not exactly been stellar - and my indulgences in
>> judgementalism have *always* come back around in some way or another
>> to bite me in the arse =:-o .
>>
>> I know how hard it is now to lose my own 60 lbs (esp having crossed
>> 50 =:-o ), so I really can't get on anyone else's case for havin
>> gtrouble losing even more than that.
>>
>> Ideally, of course, everyone involved with a child should an dwould
>> take steps to try to reverse any trend towards obesity they saw a
>> child developing - but yet another part of the problem is that this
>> isn't happening. It's considered "cruel" to force a child to
>> participate in physical activities, and that attitude i sexacerbate
>> dby the fact that *everything* now seems to be so damn competetive.
>> IOW, kids don't seem tojust run around an dplay for *fun* any more;
>> it all has to be some organized cometetive team sport thing, complete
>> with unifroms and equipment and la-di-da - and, being win-oriented,
>> kids who are not as physically capable are excluded.
>>
>> THen again, as I've often said, a huge problem is of course that,for
>> whatever reasons or excuses, a great many (?most?) people simply
>> refuse to take responsibility for themselves. And when someone is
>> indulging in self-destructive behaviors, that refusal precludes
>> improvement.
>>
>>
>> So, yup, it's a mixed bag. But what's needed are solutions. Now, it
>> might be that some sort of penalties will eventually be put into
>> place, such as insurance companies refusing to offer coverage. But
>> it'd be so much better if people can be encouragd and taught to avoid
>> *becoming* obese.
>>
>> But for now, I'm tired and sleepy.
>> And all this talk abotu eating is making me hungry <LOL!!!!>
>
> Do a google search for *Dr Mercola*, who puts out a pretty decent
> newsletter each week.
> Been reading it for a coupla months and its helped me to see the
> reason why some things are the way they are and how to make decisions
> concerning quality food.
Actually, I read the Wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Mercola
Some of his opinions (raw milk, microwaves) just strike me as goofy - I'm
educated in, and fairly well-informed about, the sciences in general,
emphasizing human biology and physiology. THere is no way anyone can
convince me that homeopathy ios anything more than a placebo - I also
have a decent background in aromatherapy, as well as botany, enough to
glean out false claims from the fact that many phytochemicals do exhibit
demonstrable physiological actions in the body - and that not all of
those actions are beneficial.
A lot of the common-sense dietary info (whole grains rather than
processes grains and refined starches, for example) are in no way unique
to him. It is also well known, and has been for quite some time, that
fish oil raises the levels of HDL ("good cholesterol") in the body.
I also have, through family members, access to the workings of the
pharmaceutical industry - for *both* ill and good. Yes, there are
problems with it, but I'm also rather fed up with the rabid demonization
which I see. And yes, the FDA is imperfect, but it works better than he
gives it credit for.
In the end, tho', nobody should ever take all their helath info, or even
the majority of it, from one source. Yes, it is important to consider
the input of people who are well-educated in health matters, but it's
also important to remember that being well-educated does NOT make one
professional an expert at everything.
I also retain skepticism for people who say "XYZ is great for your
health", and *then* turns around and hawks their own personal product
that promotes XYZ. I looked through a number of the product listings,
and thanks but I will stick with the USP (United States pharmacopea)
standardized and US-produced supplements that I take.
I most especially have no interest whatsoever in someone who uses the
word "miracle" when describing their own products or the components
thereof.
There is no such thing as a "miracle" food or supplement - sound
nutritional information based upon the facts of human physiology and
biochemistry. The principles of good health are basic - moderate
exercise, minimal processing of food, minimizing the risk of bacterial or
viral contamination of food, reasonable level of supplementation (since
the world of work makes msot people too sedentary to burn off all the
food they'd need to get an optimal level of nutrients), avoidance of
pollution, reduction of stress. No mystery...
> My wife and I are gravitating toward a more vegetarian diet, less
> processed food, and less of everything.
> Consider the timing of eating. Its pretty much universal that one
> should eat something at noon time.
> I don't use clocks or watches so therefore I never know exactly when
> noon occurs.
> Another thing is, rather than eating 3 meals per day and several
> snacks in between, its better to eat a series of small meals or snacks
> throughout the day.
> This has the effect of keeping the metabolism working continuously
> throughout the day rather than surging after meal times and then going
> idle til the next meal.
> We've always been walkers but we have, er, stepped up the pace this
> year. There's a steep hill in front of our house and a 1/4 walk down
> to the highway and back will get you huffin' and puffin pronto.
> We do it every night and sometimes during the day too.
> You don't have to do much but you have to do something and the key is
> moderation and consistency.
> Reducing your weight and extending your health starts at the grocery
> store, knowing what NOT to purchase and the science behind all of it.
> Its getting more complex each day.
>
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