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Re: Building a patio with brick Kris Krieger 10-27-2007
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Posted by Kris Krieger on October 27, 2007, 11:41 pm

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>> Building a patio with brick
>>
>> Building a patio with brick is probably the easiest way to accomplish
>> a patio project. It is easy for the do it yourselfer and can be very
>> elegant.
>>
>> Measure out the area you have in mind and start. If you're a first
>> timer, then it is probably best to have a rectangular design,
>> although a circular one is also possible, but you would have to start
>> cutting bricks. Make sure your angles are correct. While this is very
>> important, also keep in mind that you will need two inches on the
>> edges to place brick edging.
>> (continued at
>> http://building-materials.blogspot.com/2007/10/building-patio-with-bri
>> ck.html )
>
> Brick edging, huh?
> Here's the deal, if you lay brick in sand you'll never stop them from
> moving unless you install a PT wood stop around the entire outside
> edge. If you don't do that someone can step on an edge brick and it
> may shift. Further, rain will cause the underlying sand to wash out
> and then you'll have a real mess.
> Now, if you go through the trouble of installed the PT wood stop
> around the edge you may as well use it for a form and pour concrete.
> Then you can install brick surface pavers right on top of the concrete
> and have a custom, professional job that will last a lifetime.
>

One other thing that I know of works - if the patio is lower than a
surrounding flower bed, and edged with something larger andheavier, such as
the concrete pavers taht IIRC are about 10" long and 6" wide. I did that
in a smal yard which had very sandy soil, plus sloped slightly into a
gravel area (did the gravel for setting up the charcoal grill).




Posted by ++ on October 28, 2007, 12:25 am


Kris Krieger wrote:

>One other thing that I know of works - if the patio is lower than a
>surrounding flower bed, and edged with something larger andheavier, such as
>the concrete pavers taht IIRC are about 10" long and 6" wide. I did that
>in a smal yard which had very sandy soil, plus sloped slightly into a
>gravel area (did the gravel for setting up the charcoal grill).
>
>

I did about five patios in brick when I moved to the latest place. They
are all on different levels. The highest level is a raised planting bed
with a pretty rough starting rock then gravel base then a built up wall,
then dirt fill. There is actually a certain amount of terracing
involved, but it had served well for planting rather large things like
butterfly bushes and Rose of Sharon and Mock Orange and False Quince and
various berry bushes and etc. In front before transitioning to plain
ole brick patio, I put in a couple feet garden with a single brick
border, which also provide a place for about half the long length of
this affair to have a place where the upper container garden can drain
into lower dirt (chucked some PVC pieces into the gravel at the base of
the upper bed. Everythings really mostly on one level, it just looks
like three levels.

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Posted by Kris Krieger on October 31, 2007, 6:42 pm

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> Kris Krieger wrote:
>
>>One other thing that I know of works - if the patio is lower than a
>>surrounding flower bed, and edged with something larger andheavier,
>>such as the concrete pavers taht IIRC are about 10" long and 6" wide.
>>I did that in a smal yard which had very sandy soil, plus sloped
>>slightly into a gravel area (did the gravel for setting up the
>>charcoal grill).
>>
>>
>
> I did about five patios in brick when I moved to the latest place.
> They are all on different levels. The highest level is a raised
> planting bed with a pretty rough starting rock then gravel base then a
> built up wall, then dirt fill. There is actually a certain amount of
> terracing involved, but it had served well for planting rather large
> things like butterfly bushes and Rose of Sharon and Mock Orange and
> False Quince and various berry bushes and etc.

THat sounds really nice - any pics? Butterfly Bush and Mock Orange are
great for the scent - I like to try to plan for that, as well as for otehr
types of all season interest. THe terracing sounds very nice as well. I'd
like to se pics, if you have any on-line.


> In front before
> transitioning to plain ole brick patio, I put in a couple feet garden
> with a single brick border, which also provide a place for about half
> the long length of this affair to have a place where the upper
> container garden can drain into lower dirt (chucked some PVC pieces
> into the gravel at the base of the upper bed. Everythings really
> mostly on one level, it just looks like three levels.
>

Cool :) I bet you all get a lot of enjoyment out of that.

Did you plan the landscaping yourself, or did you hire a landscpae
designer? Just curious.


Posted by ++ on October 31, 2007, 9:04 pm


Kris Krieger wrote:

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>>Kris Krieger wrote:
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>>>One other thing that I know of works - if the patio is lower than a
>>>surrounding flower bed, and edged with something larger andheavier,
>>>such as the concrete pavers taht IIRC are about 10" long and 6" wide.
>>>I did that in a smal yard which had very sandy soil, plus sloped
>>>slightly into a gravel area (did the gravel for setting up the
>>>charcoal grill).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I did about five patios in brick when I moved to the latest place.
>>They are all on different levels. The highest level is a raised
>>planting bed with a pretty rough starting rock then gravel base then a
>>built up wall, then dirt fill. There is actually a certain amount of
>>terracing involved, but it had served well for planting rather large
>>things like butterfly bushes and Rose of Sharon and Mock Orange and
>>False Quince and various berry bushes and etc.
>>
>>
>
>THat sounds really nice - any pics? Butterfly Bush and Mock Orange are
>great for the scent - I like to try to plan for that, as well as for otehr
>types of all season interest. THe terracing sounds very nice as well. I'd
>like to se pics, if you have any on-line.
>
>
>

>
>
>>In front before
>>transitioning to plain ole brick patio, I put in a couple feet garden
>>with a single brick border, which also provide a place for about half
>>the long length of this affair to have a place where the upper
>>container garden can drain into lower dirt (chucked some PVC pieces
>>into the gravel at the base of the upper bed. Everythings really
>>mostly on one level, it just looks like three levels.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Cool :) I bet you all get a lot of enjoyment out of that.
>
>
Certain seasons, yes. I have been very lucky with dogwoods while
neighbors have been losing theirs (mine are wild, there's aren't),
unlucky with pin oaks. Drought is taking it's toll around herewith some
trees like maples, elms on their last leg with Dutch Elm disease, and so
on, gone to high, growing too shallow.

>Did you plan the landscaping yourself, or did you hire a landscpae
>designer? Just curious.
>
>
a landscape designer/architect did the initial design with major
earthmoving execution and planting by my #2 and #3 sons... Brickwork ws
done by a VA firm that does traditional brickwork, various tree people
removed 17 weed trees, some of which became free mulch, trimmed (a few
times) the 200yr +oak, and cut down a few giant problems, I got a bunch
of free 2x2 bluestone pavers left over from a job by a guy who gave me
too high an estimate but asked me if I wanted them... I went in the
woods for moss, ferns, and vinca minor (periwinkles), started a row of
Bulgarian/Macedonian geraniums (zdravets) from five initial plants I got
from a priest at a former Bulgarian church. Pulled ivy off one side of
the house and removed from one hill and replaced it with vinca and a
strange rock garden.

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Posted by Kris Krieger on November 17, 2007, 6:08 pm

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> Kris Krieger wrote:
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>>I've forgottent the issue with Dogwoods - the most common ones have
been
>>succombing to some blight or another, can't remember what it is - the
>>natives, and the less-commone ones (??Kousa??), seem to be resistant.
>>
>>
> Not totally resistant. The native ones have smaller white leaves than
> the others. The fungus thrives in drought conditions so water, mulch
> but don't water tje tree itself. My largest Cornus Mas (not very
> large), responded to drought conditions by kind of folding in its
leaves
> as if to protect them from the sun. But it began to widen and branch
> outwards for the first time. Unfortunately, it still is not bearing
> much fruit. It is wating for its sister tree to mature a bit. Love
> cornelian cherries, so thought it useful to grow my own. I may have
> been just a tad too far south for it, but who knows? I fugre anything
> from the caucasus will grow mid Atlantic these days.and anything used
to
> depleted soil (pomegranate is a good example) is likely to thrive in
> drought. We'll see...

The hard part is planning for the unusual conditions. If things are
going to be more dry than in th epast, that's something you can plan for,
but it's difficult when you have a generally moist area that's subject to
drought every, say, 20 years or so - the only things one can pretty much
count on is natives, and even there, every plant has to cope with a
combination of climate and location/micro-climate.

THen, of course, there is the problem of availability - it can sometimes
be very challenging to get hold of something that is technically fairly
common, yet almost never available in nurseries...


I didn't plant dogwood because the conditions locally are just too
difficult. Even when I planted my redbud, I planted a variety (or maybe
it's a subspecies?), sometimes called 'Oklahoma', sometimes called
'texensis', because ti is more heat-resistent than the average *Cercis
canadensis*. (It also gets white flowers, since it's located in what I
hope to develop into the "white garden" if we live here long enough, but
I guess that's neither here nor there...))

Pomegrant is interesting - they need to be pruned, but so do most things.
I have a 'nana" (miniature), and the flowers are a truely outstanding
red-orange color, and contrast well with the bright green of the leaves.

But I can go on about plants for far *far* too long... Sometimes I think
I really did miss my calling ;)






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>>Dang, can't recall more. Native plants are great, tho'.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Did you plan the landscaping yourself, or did you hire a landscpae
>>>>designer? Just curious.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>a landscape designer/architect did the initial design with major
>>>earthmoving execution and planting by my #2 and #3 sons... Brickwork
>>>ws done by a VA firm that does traditional brickwork, various tree
>>>people removed 17 weed trees, some of which became free mulch, trimmed
>>>(a few times) the 200yr +oak, and cut down a few giant problems, I got
>>>a bunch of free 2x2 bluestone pavers left over from a job by a guy who
>>>gave me too high an estimate but asked me if I wanted them... I went
>>>in the woods for moss, ferns, and vinca minor (periwinkles), started a
>>>row of Bulgarian/Macedonian geraniums (zdravets) from five initial
>>>plants I got from a priest at a former Bulgarian church. Pulled ivy
>>>off one side of the house and removed from one hill and replaced it
>>>with vinca and a strange rock garden.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Wow, that's a lot of work! I hope the droughts let up soon - the
>>Southest ishaving so many problems with that :(
>>
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