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Posted by creative1985@gmail.com on October 26, 2009, 7:40 am
> wrote:
> > On Oct 21, 8:39=A0pm, destaub_at_deltaresearchgroup_dot_...@foo.com
> > (daysta) wrote:
> > > daysta had written this in response tohttp://www.thestuccocompany.com=
/architecture/Re-Chinese-drywall-again...
> > > =A0:
> > > creative1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Oct 16, 2:37=3DA0pm, "Ken S. Tucker"
> > > >> Going foward, the archy will need to specify the drywall
> > > >> quality...
> > > >>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091015/ap_on_bi_ge/us_chinese_drywall
> > > >> Fair enough, I spec the work frame quality, vapor barrier,
> > > >> insulation,
> > > >> but things like electrical I've pushed off to the installer, so
> > > >> where
> > > >> does
> > > >> drywall fit in? One more thing for the archy?
> > > >> Ken
> > > > I posted a reply but its not showing up, whats up with that?
> > > > Building specifications can act as a legal means of assigning blame=
or
> > > > fault which can come in handy when push comes to shove.
> > > > A majority of the instances of the faulty drywall were inexpensive
> > > > builder grade homes targeted at first time home buyers.
> > > > The builders were cutting all legal and non-legal corners they coul=
d
> > > > to garner a piece of that bubble action and now with the economic
> > > > downturn they have left town so to speak.
> > > > In these homes the builder controlled just about everything and it =
was
> > > > a very competitive market at the time.
> > > > Ultimately the responsibility for the drywall falls on the people t=
hat
> > > > signed the original contract and that can vary, but most likely it =
is
> > > > not the home buyer that bears the responsibility yet still must end=
ure
> > > > the penalty.
> > > > In my opinion the entity that is supplying the majority of the fund=
ing
> > > > for a home building process should provide a means of making sure t=
hey
> > > > product they are financing is done according to the specifications
> > > > they themselves provide.
> > > > One of the things that facilitated this fiasco is something I have
> > > > mentioned before in the past and that is the innate ignorance and
> > > > apathy of the average home buyer in the US.
> > > > This combination of personal flaws is startling and at the same tim=
e
> > > > perplexing.
> > > > How can sane people enter into long term, hugely expensive contract=
s
> > > > on things they have very little knowledge of and do so without any
> > > > legal backing as well?
> > > > If this thing is as big as I've heard it will most likely receive a
> > > > gov't backed bailout and the financial support will be borne by the
> > > > taxpayers and others and those responsible for the mistakes will
> > > > skate.
> > > -------------------------------------
> > > Oh boy! =A0I will refer to your last paragraph. =A0Well, I am one of =
your so
> > > called ignorant average home buyers in the US. =A0You are probably ve=
ry
> > > young, naive and not from the USA. =A0I have bought a dozen homes and=
I have
> > > been able to succcessfully live and sell them at a profit. =A0We usua=
lly can
> > > trust our home inspectors and home builders with the process of buyin=
g a
> > > home. =A0But this is different. =A0You need to educate yourself and v=
isit a
> > > few of these homes. =A0All of the homes were not the builder grade fi=
rst
> > > home buyer homes you were referring to. =A0There are homes in my area=
that
> > > are in million dollar subdivisions that have this drywall. =A0Pleeeaa=
sse,
> > > this is wrecking peoples lives. =A0
> > No, you will not refer to my last paragraph.
> > You will refer to my entire post or you will be shown to be a fool.
> > But then, your ignorance betrays you.
> > I have designed thousands of building projects all over the world for
> > more than 30 years for some of the largest builders and private
> > individuals that you have heard of.
> > Even after being involved with a dozen homes you publicly admit your
> > ignorance.
> > Very well.
> > I have seen these homes, many of them, and not one of them was built
> > by a concerned builder attentive to details as circumstances require,
> > otherwise this chinese drywall fiasco would not have occurred.
> > Learn the phrase, "caveat emptor", it is alive and well here in the
> > good ol' USSA and if you choose to be ignorant of that fact as well
> > then you have a bumpy road before you.
> > If you cannot do the heavy lifting required to build a new home then
> > maybe you should invest your time and effort elsewhere.
> > By heavy lifting I mean making the decisions and accepting the
> > responsibility of those choices.
> > It has become way to fashionable of late for people to run their
> > mouths then shift blame, as your post has so eloquently illustrated.
> Not quite. =A0You're not listening to the guy, and this has nothing to
> do with whatever experience you have on unrelated stuff. =A0You made
> several points which were loose on logic, and Daysta took issue with
> just a couple. =A0I take issue with basically all of your points, but I
> have the heating system* apart and winter's a-comin', so I'll have to
> rip you a new one later. =A0=3D:O
> R
> * Working on steam systems is fun!
Was wondering where you'd been.
Yes, I want to hear your take on all of this.
FWIW, I'm not unsympathetic to the plight but I see a lot of
emotionalism being dumped into this thing and I think logic is the
rule.
People are responsible for this and I hope the right people are held
accountable.
Be careful, steam blisters can wreck you for a long time, double, no,
triple check everything.
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> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091015/ap_on_bi_ge/us_chinese_drywall
> Fair enough, I spec the work frame quality, vapor barrier, insulation,
> but things like electrical I've pushed off to the installer, so where
> does
> drywall fit in? One more thing for the archy?
> Ken