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Re: Economic Stimulus Payment Kris Krieger 05-01-2008
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Posted by EDS on May 4, 2008, 11:36 am



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>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Q. What is an Economic Stimulus Payment?
>>>>>>> A. It is money that the federal government will send to
>>>>>>> taxpayers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Q. Where will the government get this money?
>>>>>>> A. From taxpayers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Q. So the government is giving me back my own money?
>>>>>>> A. Only a smidgen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Q. What is the purpose of this payment?
>>>>>>> A. The plan is that you will use the money to purchase a
>>>>>>> high-definition TV set, thus stimulating the economy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Q. But isn't that stimulating the economy of China?
>>>>>>> A. Shut up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HA! <Terse Grim Laugh>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I'm still not buying an HDTV. I just might go buy a bunch
>>>>>> of glass (now that I've taken the class and remember how to do it)
>>>>>> and make me a Door Lite, so I can take down the cheesy ribbed
>>>>>> plastic (put it up for privacy) - use textured glass for privacy
>>>>>> without blocking light:
>>>>>> http://www.spectrumglass.com/stained-glass/about-spectrum.asp -
>>>>>> they make the glass in Washington State :) . And maybe make a
>>>>>> small panel for a friend.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ((My current Bird Window is turning out pretty well ;) so I'm
>>>>>> psyched! ))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (((((If I so desperately wanted a better TV pic, I guess I'd first
>>>>>> try putting on my glasses to watch <L!>)))))
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> More US-made Glass:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.kog.com/
>>>>> http://www.youghioghenyglass.com/contactus.html
>>>>> http://www.armstrongglass.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Relevance to architecture = WINDOWS! <LOL!>
>>>>
>>>> Seriously nice stuff.
>>>> I'm gonna have to delve further.
>>>
>>> Well, it's certainly something that a hell of a lot of architects and
>>> architectural designers (and lots of other folks ;) ) have considered
>>> part and parcel of building design. Even the simplest use of colored
>>> glass can, if used right, just add so much to the expereince of a
>>> space. It's almost downright mystical ;)
>>
>> 19 years ago we visited Chartes Cathedral,
>
> I am officially envious ;)
>
>> and were awed by the
>> stained glass. The cobalt blue colors of the west window ware
>> unbelievable, when the afternoon sun came through, an intense blue
>> color layer appeared to float just above the floor by some optical
>> illusion. Absolutely spellbinding! Also some great glass in the Ste
>> Chappele in Paris. The walls are apparently almost all stained glass
>> with very thin stone columns.
>
> They took as literal the statement that "God is Light", and tired to give
> it an earthly interpretation and presence - if Jesus was the WOrd made
> Flesh, ina way, the cathedrals were to be the Word made, not so much
> Stone, but vehicles for that Light. That thought is in my mind when I
> see pictures of those works. I can only imagine how powerfully bautiful
> they might be in person.
>
> WHen you consider Quantum Physics, maybe they had the right idea.
> Sound/music is compression/decompression waves, light is part of the
> spectrum of electromagnetic waves, and IMO therefore analagous to music.
>
> But it's late and I'm tired, so I'm tending to wax a bit too
> mysticolyrical or something =:-o So I'll be merciful and stop ;)
>
>> There is also a church here in Boston
>> with Tiffony windows that is quite beautiful. He used layering of
>> glass to give three dimentional depth to the scenes. EDS
>
> Tiffany and Lalique are tough to top ;) . IIRC, Tiffany invented
> techniques for making glass as well as for assembling it. I think it's
> teh Youghiogheny company which says it's revived his techniques (or at
> least some of them), so it'd be interesting to see their products.
>
> BTW, wasn't it you who recommended the book "Guns, Germs, and Steel"?
> I've been reading it - fascinating, and make s lot of sense to me.
>
>
>
Yeah it was me.
EDS



Real Goods Solar, Inc.
Posted by Kris Krieger on May 5, 2008, 3:59 pm

>
>
>
[snip]
>>
>> BTW, wasn't it you who recommended the book "Guns, Germs, and Steel"?
>> I've been reading it - fascinating, and make s lot of sense to me.
>>
>>
>>
> Yeah it was me.
> EDS
>

THat was a good recommendation, thanks (I'm reading it before I read the
one regarding why/how societies fail). I never agreed with people who made
purely racial arguments - even *if* certain traits, such as learning style,
are predominant in the descendents of a certain group/family of
explorers/wanderers who first occipied a given area, there is no basis for
arguing that a different learning style makes for lower or higher problem-
solving ability, if only because this can't even be observed in day-to-day
life (well, unless perhaps one has lived in some tiny isolated hamlet, or
pocket of this or that subculture, all one's life, and even there, if
someone with a different learning style doesn't appear to have "normal"
intelligence/problem-solving-ability, it's often more because the
perceptions of those around the individual have created a prejudicial
environment). Anyhoo, so Diamond's thesis makes a great deal of sense to
me, and describes something I personally had long suspected, especially
given the fact that complex Western society/culture supports, and thereby
actively encourages, a *reduced* level of problem-solving ability because
people who are less curious and less active make fro metter wage-slaves.
Diamond vaguely hints at this, stating that studies reveal that, on an
individual-by-individual level, without bias in favor of being able to turn
on a TV set, modern "primitives" (hunter-gatherers. nomads, and the like)
actually tend to have *better* problem-solving abilities than do people is
large, complex soceities, becasue the former tend to not live very long if
they don't have their wits about them and can't solve very real problems of
survival.

At any rate, it's been quite interesting read, so thanks for the suggestion
:)



Posted by EDS on May 5, 2008, 8:18 pm


--
EDS
>
>>
>>
>>
> [snip]
>>>
>>> BTW, wasn't it you who recommended the book "Guns, Germs, and Steel"?
>>> I've been reading it - fascinating, and make s lot of sense to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Yeah it was me.
>> EDS
>>
>
> THat was a good recommendation, thanks (I'm reading it before I read the
> one regarding why/how societies fail). I never agreed with people who
> made
> purely racial arguments - even *if* certain traits, such as learning
> style,
> are predominant in the descendents of a certain group/family of
> explorers/wanderers who first occipied a given area, there is no basis for
> arguing that a different learning style makes for lower or higher problem-
> solving ability, if only because this can't even be observed in day-to-day
> life (well, unless perhaps one has lived in some tiny isolated hamlet, or
> pocket of this or that subculture, all one's life, and even there, if
> someone with a different learning style doesn't appear to have "normal"
> intelligence/problem-solving-ability, it's often more because the
> perceptions of those around the individual have created a prejudicial
> environment). Anyhoo, so Diamond's thesis makes a great deal of sense to
> me, and describes something I personally had long suspected, especially
> given the fact that complex Western society/culture supports, and thereby
> actively encourages, a *reduced* level of problem-solving ability because
> people who are less curious and less active make fro metter wage-slaves.
> Diamond vaguely hints at this, stating that studies reveal that, on an
> individual-by-individual level, without bias in favor of being able to
> turn
> on a TV set, modern "primitives" (hunter-gatherers. nomads, and the like)
> actually tend to have *better* problem-solving abilities than do people is
> large, complex soceities, becasue the former tend to not live very long if
> they don't have their wits about them and can't solve very real problems
> of
> survival.
>
> At any rate, it's been quite interesting read, so thanks for the
> suggestion
> :)
>
>
Your Welcome. I enjoy your sometimes rambling, but always interesting posts.
My older cousin (He's a very spry world traveling and sailing 84) and I have
hours long phone discussions about interesting things like you bring up.
Drives my wife crazy.
EDS



Posted by Kris Krieger on May 6, 2008, 12:05 am

> Subject: Re: Economic Stimulus Payment
> Newsgroups: alt.architecture
>
>
>
> --
> EDS
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> BTW, wasn't it you who recommended the book "Guns, Germs, and
>>>> Steel"? I've been reading it - fascinating, and make s lot of sense
>>>> to me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yeah it was me.
>>> EDS
>>>
>>
>> THat was a good recommendation, thanks (I'm reading it before I read
>> the one regarding why/how societies fail). I never agreed with
>> people who made
>> purely racial arguments - even *if* certain traits, such as learning
>> style,
>> are predominant in the descendents of a certain group/family of
>> explorers/wanderers who first occipied a given area, there is no
>> basis for arguing that a different learning style makes for lower or
>> higher problem- solving ability, if only because this can't even be
>> observed in day-to-day life (well, unless perhaps one has lived in
>> some tiny isolated hamlet, or pocket of this or that subculture, all
>> one's life, and even there, if someone with a different learning
>> style doesn't appear to have "normal"
>> intelligence/problem-solving-ability, it's often more because the
>> perceptions of those around the individual have created a prejudicial
>> environment). Anyhoo, so Diamond's thesis makes a great deal of
>> sense to me, and describes something I personally had long suspected,
>> especially given the fact that complex Western society/culture
>> supports, and thereby actively encourages, a *reduced* level of
>> problem-solving ability because people who are less curious and less
>> active make fro metter wage-slaves. Diamond vaguely hints at this,
>> stating that studies reveal that, on an individual-by-individual
>> level, without bias in favor of being able to turn
>> on a TV set, modern "primitives" (hunter-gatherers. nomads, and the
>> like) actually tend to have *better* problem-solving abilities than
>> do people is large, complex soceities, becasue the former tend to not
>> live very long if they don't have their wits about them and can't
>> solve very real problems of
>> survival.
>>
>> At any rate, it's been quite interesting read, so thanks for the
>> suggestion
>> :)
>>
>>
> Your Welcome. I enjoy your sometimes rambling, but always interesting
> posts.

Well, I'm glad if the amuse more than they annoy =:-o I know I go off
on a lot of tangents, btu that's onyl because th eworld is such a complex
and wacky place ;)

> My older cousin (He's a very spry world traveling and sailing
> 84) and I have hours long phone discussions about interesting things
> like you bring up.

Cool. Keep those brain cells firing! At least it keeps on efrom being
bored ;)

> Drives my wife crazy.
> EDS

The more the merrier <impish G>!


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