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Re: Green Building RicodJour 06-13-2008
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Posted by RicodJour on June 14, 2008, 10:32 am
On Jun 14, 9:29 am, "Amy Blankenship"
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>
>
>
>
> >> > > I would prefer a more energy efficient way of wasting money, but to
> >> > > me
> >> > > -- and maybe it's just me -- "Green" implies "not wasting" as opposed
> >> > > to "wasting in an efficient manner". I like that they are being
> >> > > energy efficient; but to me it isn't "green". It's sort of like
> >> > > being
> >> > > a vegatarian who only eats greens -- but since cows just eat greens,
> >> > > then it's okay to eat cows because it's just greens that have been
> >> > > processed.
>
> >> > Lifestyle changes come in small increments unless there's some
> >> > catastrophic event. One step at a time, Pat.
>
> >> > On the topic of the food chain - have you read The Omnivore's
> >> > Dilemma? If not, do.
>
> >> Lately my reading list is more like NYS DHCR's Capital Program Manual,
> >> Capital Funds Application, etc. with a few USDA Rural Development
> >> documents thrown in.
>
> >> Otherwise, I only read things that come on CD.
>
> > Please note that I did not give you a choice. Read it! You can thank
> > me later.
>
> Does he need you to give him one in order to have one?

That's his choice.*

R

* I'll tell him later if it's an unacceptable choice.

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Posted by RicodJour on June 15, 2008, 10:03 pm
>
> I think you'll have to read it to me. I don't see it on CD. But if
> you want to read it and send the the CD I'll have a listen. Reading 2
> CDs right now. I can fit the new one in pretty soon. Almost done
> with one of the books.

Why do you only listen, Pat? Listening is so slow.

R

Posted by RicodJour on June 16, 2008, 4:08 pm
>
>
> > > I think you'll have to read it to me. I don't see it on CD. But if
> > > you want to read it and send the the CD I'll have a listen. Reading 2
> > > CDs right now. I can fit the new one in pretty soon. Almost done
> > > with one of the books.
>
> > Why do you only listen, Pat? Listening is so slow.
>
>
> It's a combination of factors: a reading disability; lots of technical
> reading at work; no time; really long work hours; and lots of time in
> the car. To me, reading in not enjoyable but listening (while
> driving) is pretty good. I guess it's compensation for my reading
> disability and ADD.
>
> Besides, who has time to read? Maybe if I cut down to a 60 hour
> week ....

And you want to hear _my_ voice while you're driving? One of two
things would happen. You'd either fall in love with the dulcet tone
and timbre of my vocal cords and start stalking me, or you'd
accelerate and head for a bridge abutment. I don't like either of
those outcomes.

R

Posted by Kris Krieger on June 14, 2008, 10:50 am
0b43302eac93@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com:

>>
>>
>>
>> > I would prefer a more energy efficient way of wasting money, but to me
>> > -- and maybe it's just me -- "Green" implies "not wasting" as opposed
>> > to "wasting in an efficient manner".  I like that they are being
>> > energy efficient; but to me it isn't "green".  It's sort of like being
>
>> > a vegatarian who only eats greens -- but since cows just eat greens,
>> > then it's okay to eat cows because it's just greens that have been
>> > processed.
>>
>> Lifestyle changes come in small increments unless there's some
>> catastrophic event.  One step at a time, Pat.
>>
>> On the topic of the food chain - have you read The Omnivore's
>> Dilemma?  If not, do.
>>
>> R
>
> Lately my reading list is more like NYS DHCR's Capital Program Manual,
> Capital Funds Application, etc. with a few USDA Rural Development
> documents thrown in.
>
> Otherwise, I only read things that come on CD.

And how green is that, givent hat a CD requires not only energyand
petrochemicals to produce, but also, requires an electrical device to be
read?

We all live in the proverbial glass houses when it comes to degrees of
greeness versus degrees of wastefulness.


Posted by Jack May on June 15, 2008, 10:21 pm

>
> > Here's an interesting article from the local paper.
>
> > I don't want tol bust on these guys in particular, but if you have a 3
> > bedroom, 2 bath, grourmet kitchen VACATION CONDO, isn't it; by it's
> > very nature; not "Green". Just the whole concept of a vacation condo
> > seems "un-green" to me.
>
> > I don't care if people have vacation condos or not. I don't care what
> > other people do with their money. But making it green just seems like
> > an oxymoron. It's sort of like saying "I'm wasting energy in a more
> > energy-efficient manner".
>
> Would you prefer if they wasted their money in an energy inefficient
> manner?
>
> R

I would prefer a more energy efficient way of wasting money, but to me
-- and maybe it's just me -- "Green" implies "not wasting" as opposed
to "wasting in an efficient manner".

So if we all went back to living like our ancestors living with very little
energy use just growing food, then that would be the best situation? Of
course humanity would not be able to reach anywhere near our capabilities,
just living a minimal existence with great hardship in an extremely
difficult life.

There would also be accepting a very short life with a 50% chance of dying
before age 20 and only about a 2% chance of making it to 40 as was the life
of our ancestors and present people living in a primitive life.

Well those conditions are not what I consider a worthy goal. We can
develop technology that does not increase CO2 or pollution while we keep
improving life span and a better existence. I think that is a far better
goal for humanity. The losers can go back to a primitive, miserable life
that they idolize. The rest of us want nothing to do with their
gullibility and hatred of innovation.



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