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Posted by Kris Krieger on January 10, 2008, 2:22 pm

>
>>
>> "Don"
>>> "Edgar"
>>>> "Don"
>>>>>
>>>>> "Edgar"
>>>>>> "Don"
>>>>>>>I don't get it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's not to get?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.outsideshore.com/school/music/almanac/html/Elements_Of_
>>>>>> Jazz/index.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> swing rhythm and improvisation, along with a live performance you
>>>>>> will never see or hear again.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've only seen the stuff a few times and it looks and sounds like
>>>>> everybody is doing something different, nothing matches or
>>>>> harmonizes. Scattered all over the place.
>>>>> I think a dood named Stanley Jordan is supposed to be a jazz
>>>>> player and I've only seen him once and it popped my eyes outta the
>>>>> sockets. He is a bass player and was playing by himself and he
>>>>> was, get this, playing TWO bass guitars at the same time, one with
>>>>> each hand. Tapping on one and fingering chords on the other.
>>>>> afuckingmazing.
>>>>> He did Stairway to Heaven and tore it a new one.
>>>>> If you get the chance check him out in solo mode, you won't
>>>>> believe it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It really can and will be all over the place. Thelonius Monk has
>>>> always made me scratch my head (in a good way), as to what the hell
>>>> he was thinking. But the thing is, a lot of it is NOT thinking, it
>>>> is just doing. That to me is improvisation. Where you get to the
>>>> point where you just know the scales to play in. It becomes second
>>>> nature and what you do then is just let out whatever it is you have
>>>> inside.
>>>
>>> I know scales and how to improvise, intimately, but jazz still
>>> doesn't make sense to me.
>>> Maybe I haven't seen enough of it.
>>
>> Jazz, like any category of music, contains works that I like-- that
>> move me-- and some that don't.
>> I think it mostly has to do with the chords, or the harmonic
>> structure. Interestingly, I seem to almost prefer some forms of Jazz
>> as background music/"noise" that I don't entirely concentrate on,
>> such as if I'm doing something else, especially like socializing.
>> On the other hand, some tunes (no matter the genre) I prefer to focus
>> on with little or no interruption, and to listen to alone or at least
>> with others who are doing the same thing.
>
> What to me eptomizes jazz is a dood playing the shit out of a big, fat
> hollow bodied gibson guitar, slightly hunched over it, eyes closed,
> navigating all over the fretboard simultaneously, oblivious to whats
> going on around him.
> Not that there's anything wrong with that, but all the other 14
> members of the band are doing that too, a cacophony of chaos.
> I prefer a little more harmony between the players - a power trio
> seems just right - like as if theres an underlying roadmap to the
> whole thing. Having said that, I rarely listen to music anymore as it
> seems to be a fulltime job when I do it.
> Its difficult to NOT get distracted if I'm trying to get stuff done
> with music playing in the background.
> I didn't used to be this way and have $20k worth of meticulous audio
> equipment all around me right now thats mostly abandoned.
> Maybe I should just sell the stuff and be done with it.
> "Hope I die before I get old....."

Maybe your next calling will be to be a composer. Back when I'd started
playing, it was a compulsion, trying to get what was in my head out into
some format. If music compells you to the point of grabbing you away
from anything else, maybe you shouldn't fight it ;)



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Posted by Kris Krieger on January 10, 2008, 5:26 pm
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>
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>>
>> Maybe your next calling will be to be a composer. Back when I'd started
>> playing, it was a compulsion, trying to get what was in my head out into
>> some format. If music compells you to the point of grabbing you away
>> from anything else, maybe you shouldn't fight it ;)
>
> It doesn't do that to me, anymore.
> At one time it did, but then other things started getting in the way.
> Now, its been more than a year since I played a guitar with any serious
> meaning to it.

Well, people grow, people change. I stopped playing for several reasons,
and tend to write music in spurts - but ti's an integral part of my mind,
of my way of perceiving and interpreting the world: I don't think that
ever leaves a person.

> I have *2 brand new ones* sitting right here at the end of my desk and I
> hardly even want to look at them let alone pick them up and do something.
> Dunno whats up with that.........
> **An Epiphone 12 string and a Marquis 6 string, both strictly acoustic.

Maybe it's just a phase. You've been through a move (alwasy a long,
complicated, and stressful process), you have work projects, things yopu
need to to to the house, and so on. THat's a lot going on. My guess is
that, if/when things settle in a bit more, you'll play again. "The
everything, there is a season..." ;)



Posted by Kris Krieger on January 10, 2008, 2:18 pm

>
>>>
>>>>>I don't get it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What's not to get?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.outsideshore.com/school/music/almanac/html/Elements_Of_Ja
>>>> zz/index.htm
>>>>
>>>> swing rhythm and improvisation, along with a live performance you
>>>> will never see or hear again.
>>>
>>> I've only seen the stuff a few times and it looks and sounds like
>>> everybody is doing something different, nothing matches or
>>> harmonizes. Scattered all over the place.
>>> I think a dood named Stanley Jordan is supposed to be a jazz player
>>> and I've only seen him once and it popped my eyes outta the sockets.
>>> He is a bass player and was playing by himself and he was, get this,
>>> playing TWO bass guitars at the same time, one with each hand.
>>> Tapping on one and fingering chords on the other.
>>> afuckingmazing.
>>> He did Stairway to Heaven and tore it a new one.
>>> If you get the chance check him out in solo mode, you won't believe
>>> it.
>>>
>>
>> It really can and will be all over the place. Thelonius Monk has
>> always made me scratch my head (in a good way), as to what the hell
>> he was thinking. But the thing is, a lot of it is NOT thinking, it
>> is just doing. That to me is improvisation. Where you get to the
>> point where you just know the scales to play in. It becomes second
>> nature and what you do then is just let out whatever it is you have
>> inside.
>
> I know scales and how to improvise, intimately, but jazz still doesn't
> make sense to me.
> Maybe I haven't seen enough of it.
>

First off, there are various types of Jazz. By no means is it a
monolithic music form. It ranges from very, almost mathematically,
abstract, through melodic. It's soul is improvisational, but it isn't
restricted to that.

It tends to include a lot of syncopation and unexpected, even
superficially distonic, chord/note progressions. It's not quite "12-
tone", which can include stuff that to me just sounds like a toddler
banging on a keyboard, but it does not restrict itself in terms of key or
rhythm.

Some I like, some I don't, and some is like reading Harlan Ellison - gets
me so POed I want to throw it against the wall, but nevertheless comells
me to continue on, wrestle with it, alsmost like the old Biblical story
of the fellow who wrestled with the Angel.






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