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Re: Museums/Stand Exibition design and Ductal standalone32 04-27-2006
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Posted by standalone32 on April 27, 2006, 10:33 am

> standalone32 wrote:
> >> standalone32 wrote:
> >>> Good morning,
> >>> I'm a student in Architecture and now I'm starting my thesis degree
that
> >>> will be about the design of a museum with the employment of a new
> > concrete,
> >>> Ductal (http://www.ductal-lafarge.com).
> >>> Anyone could be so kind to give me some online or offline (books,
> > magazines,
> >>> ...) references about Ductal ?
> >>>
> >>> I'm also interested in collecting materials, books, catalogues,
> > monographs
> >>> about museums and stand exibition designed by famous architects.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in adavance,
> >>> Laura
> >> First, read the alt.architecture FAQ.
> >>
> >> Second, if it's a NEW material why would there be any references to it?
> >> New implies it's not been used before. If it's not been used before,
> >
> > NEW materials means INNOVATIVE. Some companies begin using it (like
> > LaFarge...),
> > but clearly you have not followed the link I posted.
>
> New doesn't mean "innovative," it means "new." I've seen new products
> that are not innovative, so if you meant new and innovative, you should
> have stated so. Following the posted link has NOTHING to do with your
> question, or my reply.
> >
> >> then there can't be any references. If there aren't any references,
how
> >> would anybody point you to them? How about contacting the company
> >> itself and ask them if they have a customer list you could contact.
> >
> > Already contacted. My post was about sharing information in the
newsgroup
> > and collecting other experiences.
>
> No...let's review. You posted "Anyone could be so kind to give me some
> online or offline (books, magazines,...) references about Ductal ?".
> Your words. You did NOT state you wanted to "share information and
> collect other experiences." You were looking for information. This is
> further evidenced by "I'm also interested in collecting materials,
> books, catalogues, monographs about museums and stand exibition designed
> by famous architects." What makes you think we're more capable (or
> useful) than your school's librarian or an Amazon search? Again, the
> assumption the "regulars" here make is that you're looking for somebody
> to do your homework for you (again, I reference the FAQ).
> >
> >> What I'm even more surprised at (but shouldn't be anymore) is that you
> >> are starting your thesis degree and ask such, well, inane questions.
> >> Well thought out questions will get you help. The questions you asked
> >> will most likely garner mocking posts, like this one.
> >
> > Thank you for your precious (and not inane) answer!
>
> You're welcome (and I did sense the sarcasm). Your question fell into
> the category of "do my work for me because I don't know how to use
> Google effectively." I answered accordingly.
>
> > What about not wasting your preciuos time with such stupid answers?!?
>
> My answers were not "stupid." You may just be offended in how you were
> answered.
>
> Look...I have no idea who you are, as you don't know who I am. But you
> came in to a public place and proceeded to make a fool of yourself with
> your post and subsequent reply. Heck, I could have easily classified it
> as an advertisement (which, are premitted, under certain
> circumstances-see the FAQ) rather than a "question."
>
> How about you try again with more specific, answerable questions?
>

Just to say that I have already searched on the Web (google, books about
Ductal on amazon, ...), I have already searched in school's librarian (OPAC
by other colleges of engineering and architecture) with no success. The
topic is so new that it's very difficult to find materials and documents.
The only materials I have found was on LaFarge web site. Clearly, I have
already contacted the company to obtain (with no success) more technical
materials in addition
to the few brochures available on their web site.

I can assure you that I know to use google, internet, search engines and so
on. I will say more: if you try to search using only Ductal as keyword, you
will obtain all except resources about Ductal... you have to use
concrete+Ductal or Ductal+LaFarge.... if you know how to use google ;-)

My idea was to post on a newsgroup, for direct contact and information
exchange with people who could have employed Ductal for design in their
everyday professional life.

What is your contribution to this discussion? Nothing....
Do you have so time to waste? Are you so rude and unpolite to post this
inane answers?
Please, stop posting unless that (but I know that it's not possible....) I
have to post something useful.
It's clearly that you have never heard about Ductal....












Posted by standalone32 on April 27, 2006, 12:15 pm

> "standalone32"> wrote
> > Just to say that I have already searched on the Web (google, books about
> > Ductal on amazon, ...), I have already searched in school's librarian
> > (OPAC
> > by other colleges of engineering and architecture) with no success. The
> > topic is so new that it's very difficult to find materials and
documents.
> > The only materials I have found was on LaFarge web site. Clearly, I have
> > already contacted the company to obtain (with no success) more technical
> > materials in addition
> > to the few brochures available on their web site.
>
> Several architects are mentioned on the website, try to contact them and
get
> some insight.
>
> FWIW:
>
> Lots of students drop into this group (wrongly) assuming someone here will
> do their homework for them.
> Those of us that work for a living grow weary of their childishness and
> generally dismiss them outright or ignore them.
> Perhaps your message was perceived as such, possibly erroneously.
>
> I for one found that product interesting and if you find further info come
> on back and spread the wealth.
> Best.

I don't want anyone to do my homework.
Internet and newsgroup were born to share knowledge.

If such person like 3DPeruna doesn't know that, patience.

A good starting point is
http://www.ductal.com/Introduction%20to%20Ductal.pdf

Thanks





Posted by 3D Peruna on April 27, 2006, 6:12 pm
standalone32 wrote:

> I don't want anyone to do my homework.
> Internet and newsgroup were born to share knowledge.

>
> If such person like 3DPeruna doesn't know that, patience.

No need to assume, or lecture, what I know or don't know. Yes, I may
seem somewhat curmudgeonly, but please go back and re-read your original
post and see if you can't understand why the response was what it was.

I can give examples of several questions that would have elicited a
different response. Such as "I've found this new product (give link).
It's new. Does anyone have any experience with it? Would you use it?
If so, how?"

Your item about "I'm also interested in collecting materials, books,
catalogues, monographs about museums and stand exibition designed by
famous architects." Is simply a statement. Something else is needed to
make it useful (or even interesting). Such as "I'm interested in XYZ.
I've been to EBay, Amazon, Prairie Avenue, etc. Does anybody have other
places or sites that might be useful? I have ABC in my collection, are
there recommendations for other things that I might enjoy?"

You see the difference? Try it...you, and we, might like it.


Posted by standalone32 on April 28, 2006, 4:14 am

> standalone32 wrote:
>
> > I don't want anyone to do my homework.
> > Internet and newsgroup were born to share knowledge.
>
> >
> > If such person like 3DPeruna doesn't know that, patience.
>
> No need to assume, or lecture, what I know or don't know. Yes, I may
> seem somewhat curmudgeonly, but please go back and re-read your original
> post and see if you can't understand why the response was what it was.
>
> I can give examples of several questions that would have elicited a
> different response. Such as "I've found this new product (give link).
> It's new. Does anyone have any experience with it? Would you use it?
> If so, how?"
>
> Your item about "I'm also interested in collecting materials, books,
> catalogues, monographs about museums and stand exibition designed by
> famous architects." Is simply a statement. Something else is needed to
> make it useful (or even interesting). Such as "I'm interested in XYZ.
> I've been to EBay, Amazon, Prairie Avenue, etc. Does anybody have other
> places or sites that might be useful? I have ABC in my collection, are
> there recommendations for other things that I might enjoy?"
>
> You see the difference? Try it...you, and we, might like it.

You continue in posting unuseful and polemic answers.
You are very obstinate and repeat the same things.
You are arrogant because you think to teach others how to write, how to
post, how to make question.
You are not clever at all if you don't understand the needs and the spirit
of a student

Please, stop posting anything unless about Ductal ( have you understood what
Ductal is? )











Posted by Frankendrip on April 28, 2006, 5:14 am

"standalone32"
> "3D Peruna"
>> standalone32 wrote:
>>
>> > I don't want anyone to do my homework.
>> > Internet and newsgroup were born to share knowledge.
>>
>> >
>> > If such person like 3DPeruna doesn't know that, patience.
>>
>> No need to assume, or lecture, what I know or don't know. Yes, I may
>> seem somewhat curmudgeonly, but please go back and re-read your original
>> post and see if you can't understand why the response was what it was.
>>
>> I can give examples of several questions that would have elicited a
>> different response. Such as "I've found this new product (give link).
>> It's new. Does anyone have any experience with it? Would you use it?
>> If so, how?"
>>
>> Your item about "I'm also interested in collecting materials, books,
>> catalogues, monographs about museums and stand exibition designed by
>> famous architects." Is simply a statement. Something else is needed to
>> make it useful (or even interesting). Such as "I'm interested in XYZ.
>> I've been to EBay, Amazon, Prairie Avenue, etc. Does anybody have other
>> places or sites that might be useful? I have ABC in my collection, are
>> there recommendations for other things that I might enjoy?"
>>
>> You see the difference? Try it...you, and we, might like it.
>
> You continue in posting unuseful and polemic answers.
> You are very obstinate and repeat the same things.
> You are arrogant because you think to teach others how to write, how to
> post, how to make question.
> You are not clever at all if you don't understand the needs and the spirit
> of a student

You may risk being included under the categories of your own accusations.

In any case, Marcello seems to have posted some info for you about Ductal in
this thread.

> Please, stop posting anything unless about Ductal ( have you understood
> what
> Ductal is? )

I'm sure you'll have his full cooperation.


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