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Re: Rip the Ripper Warm Worm 01-01-2008
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Posted by Secretia Green on January 9, 2008, 6:05 pm

>

> It is so fast that the pathway between eyes, fingers and brain simply
> cannot handle the bandwidth so the eyes are removed from the equations and
> the fingers link directly to the brain.
> Actually, its the ears that link the fingers to the brain and the eyes
> aren't even in the same hemisphere on the planet.
> Its weird man, the first time I did this it was scary.
> Like my fingers were doing their own thing and I was no longer in control
> of them and I was barely conscious of what was going on and there's an
> electricl charge just below the surface on the skin.
> This ride on the edge, the first time, only lasted a few seconds but it
> proved to me that something else was going on here.
> So I kept at it and found that groove again, and again.
> I can't do it anytime I like but I can do it alot more easily than in the
> beginning.
> The muscles in the hands and fingers do not need a conscious signal from
> the brain to do what needs to be done if they've been trained properly.

My wife does that. She calls it typing. Come to think of it...millions of
other people do it too..all day , every day.




Posted by Kris Krieger on January 10, 2008, 2:33 pm

>
>>
>>> "Warm Worm"> wrote
>>>> That's fine, and is kind of what I do too, although I can still
>>>> play rudimentarily, if that's a word.
>>>> Listening to all this fine online open source electronic music from
>>>> different countries is beginning to get me wanting to get back into
>>>> the groove again-- this time with a laptop. Last time, it was with
>>>> an Ensoniq SQ80, a Korg Poly 800 and Fostex X15.
>>>
>>> Get serious with it, go get a real instrument of some sort.
>>> There's something missing in the *push button* arena that can't be
>>> replicated.
>>> Its that connection in your soul, right in there where you live,
>>> that makes music.
>>> You gotta *feel* it - it'll move you.
>>
>> Oh, playing is great, no doubt about that, but composing is a
>> different facet of it. Beethoven composed even after he went deaf,
>> which made playing irrelevant.
>>
>>>
>>> Grabbing an instrument for the first time ever is a shot of
>>> adrenaline that sort of lines all the synapses in single file -
>>> laser beam focus. Hearing can blind you.
>>> Finding the *patterns* and running with it.
>>> Realizing what it is, make it be what you want.
>>>
>>> What can this strange device be?
>>> When I touch it, it gives forth a sound.
>>> Its got wires that vibrate and give music.
>>> What can this thing be that I found?
>>
>> It's an extension of the self, of, if you will, the soul. IMO, at
>> least. When you get good with something, it's like having an extra
>> hand, but better. THat's how it'd be to fly, and that's how music
>> is. I used to play a lot more, and keep thinking that some day, I'll
>> save up and get myself an oboe (a good oboe). THat was great, it was
>> like singing, except better, since I couldn't sing all that well ;)
>> Guitar is also great. Well, ANY musical instrument is.
>>
>> It also helps keep your mind sharp, yoru fingers moving, and your
>> heart young :)
>
> Ever heard of muscle memory?
> For decades I thought such a thing was a fairy tale.
> Then one day I experienced it and everything changed from that moment
> on. Its the edge.
> In many things I have been right up to the edge but thought that was
> the end.
> It wasn't it was just the end of the beginning.
> Now, there are some songs that I play on guitar that I've played
> hundreds of times and sometimes if the mood is right I go over the
> edge. Factually, its the only way to play them properly and
> physically. You can't play them right with both feet firmly on the
> ground. I'm talking about very high speed and accurate guitar picking
> on the order of 200-300 notes per minute.
> One of the most notorius of these songs is Yngwie Maalmsteens 'Far
> Beyond the Sun'. jeezis.
> I have a video around here somewhere of me playing parts of it on my
> cousins $3000 PRS guitar. dawgies....
> It is so fast that the pathway between eyes, fingers and brain simply
> cannot handle the bandwidth so the eyes are removed from the equations
> and the fingers link directly to the brain.

At first I wasn't sure whether "musical memory" referred to playback
(where one can hear, instrument by insturment, a piece with which one is
familiar, to the point of forgetting that, no, the radio/stereo is *not*
on, it's playing in the mind...), or referred to "direct connect", where
it seems to go from eye to finger regardless of what the mind is doing or
where it might be wandering off to.

I never got that fast, not even close, but I used to be ableot play some
rather complex chords (I played Classical, not Rock). Similar thing with
Oboe after a while.

((So why the heck is my typing os dismal...I could never figure it
out...must be those numbers and letters that look backwards or seem to be
other than what they are...))

Anyhoo, it's fun when it ahppens. Very meditative.

> Actually, its the ears that link the fingers to the brain and the eyes
> aren't even in the same hemisphere on the planet.
> Its weird man, the first time I did this it was scary.
> Like my fingers were doing their own thing and I was no longer in
> control of them and I was barely conscious of what was going on and
> there's an electricl charge just below the surface on the skin.

Exhilerating :)

> This ride on the edge, the first time, only lasted a few seconds but
> it proved to me that something else was going on here.
> So I kept at it and found that groove again, and again.
> I can't do it anytime I like but I can do it alot more easily than in
> the beginning.

IF you keep up with playing, yup, it can get like that.

> The muscles in the hands and fingers do not need a conscious signal
> from the brain to do what needs to be done if they've been trained
> properly. My wife used to get uncomfortable when I'd go into the zone,
> she said I turn into a zombie, barely alive. LOL
> I'd just laugh and tell her I'm never more alive than when I'm in that
> zone.

THat's what I was going to reply until I realized that you already said
it.

I find it irritating when people kvetch about someone "zoning out" merely
because that person is in a place that is not he everyday mundane "did
you see 'Friends' last night" dumbass bullshit plane of what pathetically
passes as an excuse for "reality".

IMO, the times when one can transcend the petty stupidities are to be
cherished as a blessing.




Posted by Warm Worm on January 8, 2008, 9:40 pm
Don wrote:
> "Warm Worm"> wrote
>> That's fine, and is kind of what I do too, although I can still play
>> rudimentarily, if that's a word.
>> Listening to all this fine online open source electronic music from
>> different countries is beginning to get me wanting to get back into the
>> groove again-- this time with a laptop. Last time, it was with an Ensoniq
>> SQ80, a Korg Poly 800 and Fostex X15.
>
> Get serious with it, go get a real instrument of some sort.

I think there are some controllers available for extra expressivity that
goes beyond a keyboard-- including some kinds of "guitar".

> There's something missing in the *push button* arena that can't be
> replicated.

There's something limiting about requiring just your arms, hands and
fingers to get the music you want.

> Its that connection in your soul, right in there where you live, that makes
> music.
> You gotta *feel* it - it'll move you.

I'm inclined to agree.

> What can this strange device be?
> When I touch it, it gives forth a sound.
> Its got wires that vibrate and give music.
> What can this thing be that I found?

A Theremin? ;)

Posted by Warm Worm on January 9, 2008, 6:20 pm

"Don"
> "Warm Worm" wrote
>> Don wrote:
>>> "Warm Worm" wrote
>>>> That's fine, and is kind of what I do too, although I can still play
>>>> rudimentarily, if that's a word.
>>>> Listening to all this fine online open source electronic music from
>>>> different countries is beginning to get me wanting to get back into the
>>>> groove again-- this time with a laptop. Last time, it was with an
>>>> Ensoniq SQ80, a Korg Poly 800 and Fostex X15.
>>>
>>> Get serious with it, go get a real instrument of some sort.
>>
>> I think there are some controllers available for extra expressivity that
>> goes beyond a keyboard-- including some kinds of "guitar".
>
> Expression pedal, I've had one for years.
> I'm not sure what its expressing, if anything.
> Connected it to a yamaha keyboard and got the same result, wtf?

A foot pedal?
Well that's one thing, but I was thinking more along the lines of digital
controllers.

AFAIK, you can get all kinds of digital input systems, (including
guitar-controllers), that control your computers' sound/music systems with
the same or approximate expressiveness as you are with your choice of
instrument, alone, with the instrument being as natural as your vocal chords
or whistles.

I don't know about you, but I like to think I can replicate practically any
guitar virtuoso with my whistling or vocals. Bung that into a physical
modelling computer music system, where, say, an electric guitar is modelled,
and you might have something somewhat resembling what you can do along your
real guitar.

>>> There's something missing in the *push button* arena that can't be
>>> replicated.

The above might be akin to an industrial-strenth "kazoo" without the kazoo.
:)

>> There's something limiting about requiring just your arms, hands and
>> fingers to get the music you want.
>
> The presumption that a person uses their entire body to construct music.
> Ya gotta walk before ya run.

The thing is, if you can already run, dance, whistle, hum, sing, or make
silly faces at babies, you could tap into that and use it to control your
sound, music, and even minute elements of them.

> I'm pretty convinced that if one apples theirself they will be more than
> fulfilled with the former and the latter will be revealed to be fad.
> I stay pretty busy on a fretboard but in the early days most of it was
> untamed territory, with experience comes familiarity.
> My problem is that I get bored with it.

What about a guitar controller/midi guitar and/or something like the above?
Technique is one thing, but composition and soul is another. Technique
without soul don't count for much.

>>> What can this strange device be?
>>> When I touch it, it gives forth a sound.
>>> Its got wires that vibrate and give music.
>>> What can this thing be that I found?
>>
>> A Theremin? ;)
>
> Unscramble the letters and you get this:
> The Temples of Syrinx.

Come again?



Posted by Kris Krieger on January 10, 2008, 2:41 pm

>
> "Don"
>> "Warm Worm" wrote
>>> Don wrote:
>>>> "Warm Worm" wrote
>>>>> That's fine, and is kind of what I do too, although I can still
>>>>> play rudimentarily, if that's a word.
>>>>> Listening to all this fine online open source electronic music
>>>>> from different countries is beginning to get me wanting to get
>>>>> back into the groove again-- this time with a laptop. Last time,
>>>>> it was with an Ensoniq SQ80, a Korg Poly 800 and Fostex X15.
>>>>
>>>> Get serious with it, go get a real instrument of some sort.
>>>
>>> I think there are some controllers available for extra expressivity
>>> that goes beyond a keyboard-- including some kinds of "guitar".
>>
>> Expression pedal, I've had one for years.
>> I'm not sure what its expressing, if anything.
>> Connected it to a yamaha keyboard and got the same result, wtf?
>
> A foot pedal?
> Well that's one thing, but I was thinking more along the lines of
> digital controllers.
>
> AFAIK, you can get all kinds of digital input systems, (including
> guitar-controllers), that control your computers' sound/music systems
> with the same or approximate expressiveness as you are with your
> choice of instrument, alone, with the instrument being as natural as
> your vocal chords or whistles.

Some are sensitive to pressure and, what its it called, I can't recall now,
where you rock your finger back and forth on a sting (guitar, violin, etc.)
to create slight variations in pitch, sometimes called IIRC "vibrato".


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