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Re: The value of shopping local Amy Blankenship 11-11-2007
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Posted by Amy Blankenship on November 11, 2007, 12:34 am

> George Conklin wrote:
>
>>>
>>> And she's not alone...
>>
>> People with limited incomes do have to make choices. They may not be
>> yours. Some are bad. Drugs are bad too, but government is doing its
>> best
>> to stamp out drugs and to provide things like food stamps for very low
>> income people, many of whom, by the way, refuse the service.
>
> Clearly, you've been impressed by the "war on drugs" and it's many
> successes...
>
> ...and food stamps... what a joke of a program. Those who need them the
> most have the most difficulty with them (again, I speak from experience
> working with people).
>
> This woman's choices aren't based on her limited income. She's fathered 4
> children with 3 fathers--knowing the fathers are nowhere around (and she's
> not very attractive at all). Her choices were based on her ability to
> INCREASE her income with more children. But if she's going to make poor
> choices, then I have no obligation to support her in her poor choices.
> I'll help her as she makes good choices, but so far, the pattern has been
> to make choices that minimize her effort and maximize her income, which is
> not earned.

And what about her children? Have they been put in that situation because
of THEIR choices?



Posted by Warm Worm on November 11, 2007, 2:47 pm
Don wrote:
>>> George Conklin wrote:
>>>
>>>>> And she's not alone...
>>>> People with limited incomes do have to make choices. They may not be
>>>> yours. Some are bad. Drugs are bad too, but government is doing its
>>>> best
>>>> to stamp out drugs and to provide things like food stamps for very low
>>>> income people, many of whom, by the way, refuse the service.
>>> Clearly, you've been impressed by the "war on drugs" and it's many
>>> successes...
>>>
>>> ...and food stamps... what a joke of a program. Those who need them the
>>> most have the most difficulty with them (again, I speak from experience
>>> working with people).
>>>
>>> This woman's choices aren't based on her limited income. She's fathered 4
>>> children with 3 fathers--knowing the fathers are nowhere around (and
>>> she's not very attractive at all). Her choices were based on her ability
>>> to INCREASE her income with more children. But if she's going to make
>>> poor choices, then I have no obligation to support her in her poor
>>> choices. I'll help her as she makes good choices, but so far, the pattern
>>> has been to make choices that minimize her effort and maximize her
>>> income, which is not earned.
>> And what about her children? Have they been put in that situation because
>> of THEIR choices?
>
> Other people's children are none of your business.

Other people's children sure are, Don, especially when they begin to
torture and rape.

If recalled, you just moved from a place that had an apparent murder
nearby, or at least dubious activity that you seemed 'curious' about.

'None of you business' also comes in shades of gray.

Posted by Warm Worm on November 11, 2007, 4:38 pm
Don wrote:
>> Don wrote:
>>>>> George Conklin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> And she's not alone...
>>>>>> People with limited incomes do have to make choices. They may not
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> yours. Some are bad. Drugs are bad too, but government is doing its
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> to stamp out drugs and to provide things like food stamps for very low
>>>>>> income people, many of whom, by the way, refuse the service.
>>>>> Clearly, you've been impressed by the "war on drugs" and it's many
>>>>> successes...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...and food stamps... what a joke of a program. Those who need them
>>>>> the most have the most difficulty with them (again, I speak from
>>>>> experience working with people).
>>>>>
>>>>> This woman's choices aren't based on her limited income. She's fathered
>>>>> 4 children with 3 fathers--knowing the fathers are nowhere around (and
>>>>> she's not very attractive at all). Her choices were based on her
>>>>> ability to INCREASE her income with more children. But if she's going
>>>>> to make poor choices, then I have no obligation to support her in her
>>>>> poor choices. I'll help her as she makes good choices, but so far, the
>>>>> pattern has been to make choices that minimize her effort and maximize
>>>>> her income, which is not earned.
>>>> And what about her children? Have they been put in that situation
>>>> because of THEIR choices?
>>> Other people's children are none of your business.
>> Other people's children sure are, Don,
>
> No they're not.
> If she wants to mind some childrens business then she needs to go get her
> own.

Cripes.

> especially when they begin to
>> torture and rape.
>>
>> If recalled, you just moved from a place that had an apparent murder
>> nearby, or at least dubious activity that you seemed 'curious' about.
>
> I was curious about the spotlights and 30 police cars running up and down
> the street.
> I didn't find out about the murder until the next day on the toob.

It could have been about you, about your murder. Then whose business is
it? Certainly not yours, since, if you were dead, your business would be
to lie very still.
In another context, if I truly was a worm, it would then be my business
to slide right on in and help decompose you.

>> 'None of you business' also comes in shades of gray.
>
> Nope, there's a definite line in the sand.

A line drawn in the sand is composed of a billion grains.

> Nosey, bored people claim to see shades of gray where this is concerned.
> Do you like people nosing around in your business?
> Treat people like you like to be treated.........

...Like how little Johnny next door likes to treat little Missy (and her
kitten) when her parents aren't watching?
(flip the sex of the characters if it makes you feel any better)

...Not that it's any of _your_ business... or that you don't get your
ass arrested for pretending not to notice it.

Posted by Warm Worm on November 12, 2007, 8:04 pm
Don wrote:
>> Don wrote:
>>>> Don wrote:
>>>>>>> George Conklin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And she's not alone...
>>>>>>>> People with limited incomes do have to make choices. They may
>>>>>>>> not be
>>>>>>>> yours. Some are bad. Drugs are bad too, but government is doing
>>>>>>>> its best
>>>>>>>> to stamp out drugs and to provide things like food stamps for very
>>>>>>>> low
>>>>>>>> income people, many of whom, by the way, refuse the service.
>>>>>>> Clearly, you've been impressed by the "war on drugs" and it's many
>>>>>>> successes...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...and food stamps... what a joke of a program. Those who need them
>>>>>>> the most have the most difficulty with them (again, I speak from
>>>>>>> experience working with people).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This woman's choices aren't based on her limited income. She's
>>>>>>> fathered 4 children with 3 fathers--knowing the fathers are nowhere
>>>>>>> around (and she's not very attractive at all). Her choices were
>>>>>>> based on her ability to INCREASE her income with more children. But
>>>>>>> if she's going to make poor choices, then I have no obligation to
>>>>>>> support her in her poor choices. I'll help her as she makes good
>>>>>>> choices, but so far, the pattern has been to make choices that
>>>>>>> minimize her effort and maximize her income, which is not earned.
>>>>>> And what about her children? Have they been put in that situation
>>>>>> because of THEIR choices?
>>>>> Other people's children are none of your business.
>>>> Other people's children sure are, Don,
>>> No they're not.
>>> If she wants to mind some childrens business then she needs to go get her
>>> own.
>> Cripes.
>>
>>> especially when they begin to
>>>> torture and rape.
>>>>
>>>> If recalled, you just moved from a place that had an apparent murder
>>>> nearby, or at least dubious activity that you seemed 'curious' about.
>>> I was curious about the spotlights and 30 police cars running up and down
>>> the street.
>>> I didn't find out about the murder until the next day on the toob.
>> It could have been about you, about your murder. Then whose business is
>> it? Certainly not yours, since, if you were dead, your business would be
>> to lie very still.
>> In another context, if I truly was a worm, it would then be my business to
>> slide right on in and help decompose you.
>>
>>>> 'None of you business' also comes in shades of gray.
>>> Nope, there's a definite line in the sand.
>> A line drawn in the sand is composed of a billion grains.
>>
>>> Nosey, bored people claim to see shades of gray where this is concerned.
>>> Do you like people nosing around in your business?
>>> Treat people like you like to be treated.........
>> ...Like how little Johnny next door **
>
> No, like YOU like to be treated.
> I sincerly hope you're not the nosey so and so you're promoting here.
> If so, move on down here to the states where it seems like just about
> everybody lives to stick their long pointy nose in everybody elses business
> while neglecting their own.
> You'll be in proper company.
>
> **I wonder why some people find it necessary to make stuff up in an attempt
> to justify a position they know is wrong?

Then I suppose we need to _qualify_ what we mean by minding one's own
business.
Here's mine:
If I catch someone bopping their kids *while minding my own business*,
then I'll step in.
I call that minding my own business in the protection of others.

Rest assured that, at the same time, I'm also against people sticking
their shnozes in others' businesses where I feel they shouldn't, but
various abuses, when "accidentally discovered", are exceptions.

Another exception would be turning a blind eye and/or failing to act on
somethings like the above, such as in the name of 'minding one's own
business', or of 'just following orders':
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Defense

Posted by Amy Blankenship on November 11, 2007, 10:45 pm


>> 'None of you business' also comes in shades of gray.
>
> Nope, there's a definite line in the sand.
> Nosey, bored people claim to see shades of gray where this is concerned.
> Do you like people nosing around in your business?
> Treat people like you like to be treated.........

You know, if I was six years old and my mother was a drug addict and so I
never had nutritious meals or support to get a good education, I suspect I'd
be very grateful if a responsible adult intervened.



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