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Posted by Amy Blankenship on November 12, 2007, 10:03 am
> Amy Blankenship wrote:
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>> However, this whole conversation started with a discussion of education.
>> If her children have no access to education (which is the practical
>> effect of the policies it seems you advocate) they have less ability to
>> extricate themselves from their bad situation as adults. I do recognize
>> that the odds are against them, but removing the chance at even an
>> adequate education is not going to help them. Remember, the education
>> goes directly to children, people who haven't made many decisions in
>> their lives, good or bad. Removing education from those children punishes
>> them, not parents.
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> They're already punished because of the parents. The ratio is 95:5 of
> those who get out without the parents fully being invested in their
> education. Most parents aren't, and that's true across income levels.
So punish them worse by denying them _any_ opportunity?
> The other problem is that we keep pouring money into public education, yet
> things are getting worse. It's not a function of money. It's a function
> of living in a society that really doesn't pay attention to the needs of
> children...on a parental level. Sure, the kids are scheduled to death
> with various activities. They're provided for (the most part) with
> whatever the creature comforts of life might be. But they're not taken
> care of.
So you think kids who aren't offered an education will do better?
> It seems, as a society, we have moved towards the idea that the school is
> responsible for our children's learning, and the state is responsible for
> funding this learning. We have abdicated our responsibilities as parents.
> We have also let the very false idea that money=education permeate our
> society. History is filled with examples of people who came from nowhere,
> educated by those with little to no means.
And eliminating public education will make people more responsible parents
how...?
> We will never always have parents who care. And we need to stop thinking
> that if we collectively pick up the slack, we'll solve the problem.
We can keep it from becoming worse.
> We can only solve the problem individually--you and me, individually,
> without requirement or prompting from the government, finding someone who
> needs the help and giving it to them. The government will never fix this
> problem.
I disagree. I think the system we have is FAR better than what we would
have if we had NO public education system. Again I say look to countries
that do not offer public education and ask if that is what we want for this
country.
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