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Posted by Kris Krieger on November 20, 2007, 6:04 pm
> Kris Krieger wrote:
>>
>> [ ... ]
>>> ...I think it should be mandatory that the government pay each
>>> family with a child or more, enough money to buy a sailboat and sail
>>> around the world for a full year. ;)
>>>
>>> (Although I'm still half-serious:
>>> http://www.bluewateradventures.ca/Special/school.htm
>>> There are doubtless countless other similar programmes out there.)
>>>
>>> It is my contention that students need to be brought out into _the
>>> open_, from beyond the four walls of academia and into the real
>>> world of air, land and sea... and yes, maybe also markets and
>>> governments, etc..
>>>
>>> Field-trips to museums are not the real world.
>>> A museum is yet another depository or institution.
>>>
>>
>> I actualy think that is not such a bad idea. Sometimes I think I
>> owuld love to teach (I'm sure none of you has ever suspected that I
>> have a bit of apedantic nature <LOL!!>), but the whole "classroom"
>> thing puts me off, because what I would like to pass on is my love
>> of, and excitement about, the natural world, and how Science helps us
>> uncover and understand it. The problem is that this is extremely
>> difficult, excpet for very talented "natural-born" teachers, to
>> communicate withing th econfines of a concrete room.
>>
>> The other problem is the strictures - I have a friend who is a
>> teacher, and it seems that the *vast* majority of time is wasted upon
>> adhering to this or that bureaucrat's pet dumbass "theory of
>> education", and on teaching the kids to memorize the andwers of the
>> dumbass "no child left behind" (talk about lack of truth in
>> advertising...) Federal money acquisition forms.
>>
>> IMO, Nature is the best classroom, because it is constantly
>> stimulating, and is the wellspring of a child's curiosity - which, in
>> turn, is the cornerstone of a continuing desire to learn.
>
> (Qualification: what follows is a hypothesis)
>
> Agreed, but also including government, industry and markets and so
> forth-- whatever's part of the world and beyond.
>
> 'Open-Door Education'.
I think of going outside, because that is the very first thing you can do
with children. Everything else comes later ;)
>
> Education turned inside-out:
>
> *_INVERSITY_*
>
> If students are brought _way_ more beyond the classroom (and/or
> reinventing what a "classroom" and "school" are and can be), then
> those areas that they visit, study-- and, yes, even apprentice, co-op
> and work in, etc., will also learn and teach-- and have more to answer
> for. There will be more transparency by necessity.
Anyplace can be a classroom. That's the point that IMO too many poeple
miss. THe best IMO is to go out, observe, collect data, and so on, and
then come back (to someplace) to discuss it, digest it.
I could never do math because it was never tied to anything - it was just
a matter of "shut up and learn it, and if you can't learn it, shut up
anyway". Once i got out of school, I did more math than I ever did in
school, because it bacemae a tool rather than just some abstract bit of
pedagoguery.
>
> Currently, students seem hardly allowed to go anywhere. That's not
> community or how close-knit, successful tribes worked, or anything
> else. It's built-in ignorance, failures and disasters
> waiting-to-happen. More eyes see more, even if they're still
> learning-- or maybe especially so.
True.
>
> If, as I've read this week here, education is supposed to prepare one
> for the real world, then I think we're going about it the wrong way.
>
> I propose that the very act of seeding students throughout (which is
> where they should rightfully be) could change our systems/world for
> the better-- government, industry, markets, education-- everything.
>
>> Hence, I do not teach, and have never sought to little piece of paper
>> taht grants me permission to do so.
>
> I'd be surprised if you needed a paper to teach in many contexts.
> It might be just a question of getting it going, a la grass-roots.
>
> For example, rather that just setting up a garage only for himself,
> Don could easily create a "one-room schoolhouse" for drafting and
> building.
>
Heh ;)
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