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Posted by Kris Krieger on November 27, 2007, 3:31 pm
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>>> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
>>>> but not an exemption because it can be well-argued that education
>>>> benefits everyone.
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>>> OK then, argue it.
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>> It's already been argued at length, and better by other people, than
>> I can.
>> In a nutshell, education (and no, ot the current public warehouse
>> system, as I've already gone into at length) allows for a diversity
>> of work and a higher skill level for workers; it informs people as to
>> the value of things
>> like Liberty and Justice. THere is a correlation between lack of
>> education, and criminla lifestyle, ebcause people who have no job
>> qualifications tend to resort to crime to live. Democracy itself,
>> whether direct or representational, relies on poeple's ability to
>> understand facts/situations, and make better choices whcih will
>> preserve their rights.
>> ANd so on - as I said, others have gone into this at length, and
>> better than I prob. can.
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> I can agree that a proper education can possibly benefit the
> individual but to extend that to everyone else is a leap of faith.
No, it's not a leap of faith. It's based upon what I knmow of societies
that are getting education as opposed to communities which don't, and
upon what I know, and have observed, of how communities function.
> Further, you are associating lack of education with crime.
Not lack of crime, *reduction* in crime.
> Its been established that criminal behavior is not caused by lack of
> income but rather lack of a moral compass.
Many convicts end up back in prison primarliy because they have never
learned basic life-skills, including literacy.
> One of the boldest examples was during the great depression where
> crime rates increased negligibly even though many people were
> impoverished.
During the Depression, people were on fairly equal footing - the division
between the completely impoverished and the fabulously wealthy was not as
great as it is now.
> Educating an immoral person simply makes them more
> successful at their crimes.
True, but when one cannot find work because one is uneducated, one is
likely to resort to crime, not because one is immoral, but because one is
hungry.
Also, when on eis illiterate and innumerate, one is far elss likely to
realize that there are better ways to live. Education **can**, if it's
truely education, teach both skills, and the fact that ther are
productive ways to use them.
> Besides, look at the morality that is being preached in the public
> schools.
From what I can tell, most of the current school system sucks. So no, I
don't give a hang what they're currently pretending to teach. WHen
schoold had out birth control pills (i.e., hormones) to 9-yr-ols without
parental knowledge, and with Zwero regard to the child's current or
future health, it shows that both soceity, and the schools, are totally
FUBARed.
Dopn't put words into my mot\uth as though I'm saying anything different
- I'm trying to think of how education can be made available to children,
NOT abotu the current cluster-f*ck that gets *passed off* as being some
sort of "education".
> Finally, there is no arguing that the current public
> education system benefits hardly anyone at all and loads of evidence
> to support the opposite.
WHcih is **not** the same thing as saying that "under no circumstances
whatsoever can the education of children be of benefit to a society".
> Almost everyone pays a severe price for the
> existence of the public school system.
Because the current mess is little more than a self-perpetuating
bureaucracy, which merely uses education as a pretext or excuse for its
existence. WHen a school graduates nealry half o f its children while
they're still illiterate, yet takes a couple million $$ to build a
friggin' football stadium for the high school, that is not education, it
a bureaucracy run amok.
For tha umpteenth time: I believe in education, not in ever-expanding
bureaucracy.
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