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Re: The value of shopping local Kris Krieger 11-15-2007
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Posted by Kris Krieger on November 18, 2007, 1:33 am

> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>>> Education - not mere memorization of facts, but learning how to
>>> think and reason - is not a social rogram (such as welfare), it is a
>>> necessary element to democracy. Democracy depends upon people
>>> understanding the decisions they need to make. Education is an
>>> investment. The ignorenti cannot make the sorts of decisions that
>>> maintain liberty
>>
>> Yeah, but that doesn't relieve them of their constitutional right to
>> personally bear thermonuclear weapons....
>
> I'm a bit offended I'm not allowed to...
>
> Actually, the Constitution expressly permits me to bear arms--and it
> doesn't qualify what type. It is also clear (from those who wrote it)
> that the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to ensure the people have the
> ability to overthrow the government if it becomes tyrannical. From
> this it would also follow that the people then have the right to bear
> whatever arms the government may also have so that an adequate defense
> may be made.

Hmmm, I never thought of it quite that way ;)


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Posted by Michael Bulatovich on November 18, 2007, 6:17 pm

> Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>>> Education - not mere memorization of facts, but learning how to think
>>> and
>>> reason - is not a social rogram (such as welfare), it is a necessary
>>> element to democracy. Democracy depends upon people understanding the
>>> decisions they need to make. Education is an investment. The ignorenti
>>> cannot make the sorts of decisions that maintain liberty
>>
>> Yeah, but that doesn't relieve them of their constitutional right to
>> personally bear thermonuclear weapons....
>
> I'm a bit offended I'm not allowed to...
>
> Actually, the Constitution expressly permits me to bear arms--and it
> doesn't qualify what type. It is also clear (from those who wrote it)
> that the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to ensure the people have the
> ability to overthrow the government if it becomes tyrannical. From this
> it would also follow that the people then have the right to bear whatever
> arms the government may also have so that an adequate defense may be made.

Exactly my point, and a demonstration of the limits of "hedgehog" thinking.
Remember Colin Rowe?



Posted by Kris Krieger on November 18, 2007, 1:32 am

>
>> Education - not mere memorization of facts, but learning how to think
>> and reason - is not a social rogram (such as welfare), it is a
>> necessary element to democracy. Democracy depends upon people
>> understanding the decisions they need to make. Education is an
>> investment. The ignorenti cannot make the sorts of decisions that
>> maintain liberty
>
> Yeah, but that doesn't relieve them of their constitutional right to
> personally bear thermonuclear weapons....

Which is why education is important.


Posted by 3D Peruna on November 18, 2007, 7:14 pm
Kris Krieger wrote:
>
>>> Education - not mere memorization of facts, but learning how to think
>>> and reason - is not a social rogram (such as welfare), it is a
>>> necessary element to democracy. Democracy depends upon people
>>> understanding the decisions they need to make. Education is an
>>> investment. The ignorenti cannot make the sorts of decisions that
>>> maintain liberty
>> Yeah, but that doesn't relieve them of their constitutional right to
>> personally bear thermonuclear weapons....
>
> Which is why education is important.

Depends on what you mean by "education". If you mean teaching children
about rights and responsibilities, then yes. If you mean teaching
children about something else, say the idea of "from each according to
his ability, to each according to his need", then no...

Posted by Kris Krieger on November 21, 2007, 11:58 am
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> Kris Krieger wrote:
>>
>>>> Education - not mere memorization of facts, but learning how to think
>>>> and reason - is not a social rogram (such as welfare), it is a
>>>> necessary element to democracy. Democracy depends upon people
>>>> understanding the decisions they need to make. Education is an
>>>> investment. The ignorenti cannot make the sorts of decisions that
>>>> maintain liberty
>>> Yeah, but that doesn't relieve them of their constitutional right to
>>> personally bear thermonuclear weapons....
>>
>> Which is why education is important.
>
> Depends on what you mean by "education".

I've already explained that about 20+ times.

> If you mean teaching children
> about rights and responsibilities, then yes. If you mean teaching
> children about something else, say the idea of "from each according to
> his ability, to each according to his need", then no...

Hel-OOO? How on earth do you get Marxism from *anything* that i wrote?

I have consistently talked about teaching critical thinking skills (and
yes, some kids are born with an advantage in htat area, however, as with
reading and arithmetic and basic math, many skills can also be taught so
as to give them abasic level of competency). i have *never* said anything
whatsoever about Marxism. The last time I thought Marxism made sense was
when I was 11, and even there, it was mainly a rebellion thing, not a
political or philosophical stance. I had to study it to some extent
because of my focus on the SOviet Union and subsequent job, and it's
untenable.

So don't bring in that old "red herring" nonsense. =>:-p I've been IMO
quite clear about what I've meant by "education".


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