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Re: The value of shopping local Kris Krieger 11-15-2007
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Posted by ++ on November 21, 2007, 12:24 pm


Kris Krieger wrote:

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>>???
>>A person gets *educated* on the job.
>>Just ask any of the minimum wage workers, they'll tell you.
>>You know, all the people the Amy's
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[sic]

>> of the world think everyone else
>>should pay for, just so they can spend their lives flipping burgers.
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>>

I am constantly amazed at how we can provide tax incentives to outsource
jobs from the US that we aren't providing for our own educated and
literate workforce.

At the last Smithsonian Folklife Festival, there was a table in which
the Irish were showing how they provide support services for US
companies. They were assuming, in their literature and spiels that
these were jobs that Americans would not want to take. They were
dismayed to note person after person ask how they could get that job at
that salary, asking things like "Do I have to move to Ireland?" or "Can
you link me for this job from my house?".

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>You're erroneously equating "skills training" with "education". THey are
>different things, different types of learning.
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They can be related.

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Posted by Amy Blankenship on November 21, 2007, 1:55 pm


>>> of the world think everyone else
>>>should pay for, just so they can spend their lives flipping burgers.
>
> I am constantly amazed at how we can provide tax incentives to outsource
> jobs from the US that we aren't providing for our own educated and
> literate workforce.
> At the last Smithsonian Folklife Festival, there was a table in which the
> Irish were showing how they provide support services for US companies.
> They were assuming, in their literature and spiels that these were jobs
> that Americans would not want to take. They were dismayed to note person
> after person ask how they could get that job at that salary, asking things
> like "Do I have to move to Ireland?" or "Can you link me for this job from
> my house?".

I think it is the Irish who provided those tax incentives.



Posted by ++ on November 21, 2007, 2:21 pm


Amy Blankenship wrote:

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>
>
>>>>of the world think everyone else
>>>>should pay for, just so they can spend their lives flipping burgers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>I am constantly amazed at how we can provide tax incentives to outsource
>>jobs from the US that we aren't providing for our own educated and
>>literate workforce.
>>At the last Smithsonian Folklife Festival, there was a table in which the
>>Irish were showing how they provide support services for US companies.
>>They were assuming, in their literature and spiels that these were jobs
>>that Americans would not want to take. They were dismayed to note person
>>after person ask how they could get that job at that salary, asking things
>>like "Do I have to move to Ireland?" or "Can you link me for this job from
>>my house?".
>>
>>
>
>I think it is the Irish who provided those tax incentives.
>
>
The Irish were glad to do "thos jobs you Americans don't want to do.
And the setup consts were financed by your government. We are
grateful." (At least, that's how I remember the conversation )

http://money.cnn.com/2004/03/11/commentary/dobbs/dobbs/
http://www.factcheck.org/article225.html
http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/outsourcedebate.html
http://www.russoft.org/docs/?doc=1255
http://www.galtglobalreview.com/infotech/outsource_alts_2.html
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/site/en/com/2006/com2006_0728en01.pdf

etc.

Lot's of sides to the issue. NO tax incentives for creating jobs here
at home.

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Posted by Kris Krieger on November 21, 2007, 3:23 pm

>
>
> Kris Krieger wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>???
>>>A person gets *educated* on the job.
>>>Just ask any of the minimum wage workers, they'll tell you.
>>>You know, all the people the Amy's
>>>
> [sic]
>
>>> of the world think everyone else
>>>should pay for, just so they can spend their lives flipping burgers.
>>>
>>>
>
> I am constantly amazed at how we can provide tax incentives to
> outsource jobs from the US that we aren't providing for our own
> educated and literate workforce.
>
> At the last Smithsonian Folklife Festival, there was a table in which
> the Irish were showing how they provide support services for US
> companies. They were assuming, in their literature and spiels that
> these were jobs that Americans would not want to take. They were
> dismayed to note person after person ask how they could get that job
> at that salary, asking things like "Do I have to move to Ireland?" or
> "Can you link me for this job from my house?".
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>You're erroneously equating "skills training" with "education". THey
>>are different things, different types of learning.
>>
>>
> They can be related.
>

Well duuuuuh =>:-/ So can dancing and martial arts. So what? THat's
not the point.




Posted by Kris Krieger on November 27, 2007, 3:40 pm

> "++"> wrote
>> I am constantly amazed at how we can provide tax incentives to
>> outsource jobs from the US that we aren't providing for our own
>> educated and literate workforce.
>
> I'm amazed that outsourcing didn't become more popular sooner than it
> did. Its very expensive to have employees here in the US because of
> all the baggage.
> I think all this employer paid health insurance business is going to
> break the camels back in the next few years.
>
> The key to just about everything is framed in these 2 words: *vested
> interest*
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>

Actually, my friend has been trying to hire some US company to do some
pharmaceutical-production work, but ended up having to turn to a Eurpean
company, because the US companies were run by US-"educated" nitwits who
simply could not do the work. ((It's an injectible product, so the mfg
quality has to be very rigorously controlled.))

When I talk about poor education, including lack of critical/logical
thinking skills, impacting a society, I'm not just blithering - a poor-
quality education makes for poor-quality workers. It's pathetic to be
*forced* to out-source so as to find people with the appropriate skill-
levels...






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