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Re: The value of shopping local Kris Krieger 11-15-2007
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Posted by Michael Bulatovich on December 5, 2007, 11:23 am

>
> Didn't know if you saw this or not (re Asperger's)
>
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/health/04well.html?em&ex=1196917200&en=317598468b2847ed&ei=5087%0A

There's a kid with that in some of my daughter's (gifted) classes. The kids
are generally really good with her....way better that she would have got if
she was of my generation. In my day she would have been the endless target
of some bully for sure.



Posted by Kris Krieger on November 21, 2007, 2:50 pm

>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Pat"> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's an aspect of homeschooling known as *unschooling* and
>>>>>> this is the process some people go through after leaving the
>>>>>> public prisons, er, schools.
>>>>>
>>>>> Education is not the same thing as the current mess called "the
>>>>> public school system". The current ssytem is a bureaucracy first,
>>>>> and second, and
>>>>> third, and is more of a trianing camp, than an Educational
>>>>> Institution.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've said time and time again that I am willing to pay for
>>>>> children to be *educated* - I am *not* w8illing to pay for them to
>>>>> be merely warehoused for 8 hours and trained to follow orders.
>>>>
>>>> I have to say that learning to follow orders is an important skill.
>>>> In probably 70% of all jobs, that is at least as important as
>>>> reading, math, etc.
>>>
>>> Foloowing directions is not the same thing as following orders.
>>> Directions exist for a reason. Orders fome from an assumption of
>>> authority which demands unquestioning obedience.
>>
>> Sometimes you have to do something you know to be stupid because that
>> is the way it is.
>
> Well there ya go.
> There's Amy's lifes effort in a nutshell.
> Only do things that are easy, because thats the way they are.
> Well ya know what Amy, that just ain't good enough for some people.
> Its good enough for you, you've admitted it many times.
> But for others, those that make a difference, they will find another
> way. And as for you, and those you hope to keep just like you, good
> fucking riddance.
> The future is for those that are brave enough to reach for it and for
> those of you content with the norm, get outta the way.


Ad astra per aspera.




Posted by Kris Krieger on November 18, 2007, 1:47 am

> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
>> I
>> agree with Pat that Education is a natural right, and that this
>> rightr is being denied students.
>
> How is that education to be provided?
>

That is thesis material - one could write hundreds of pages about it. Any
method, however, woudl requir that poeple agree that (1) education will be
provided to all children, and (2) critical thinking skills are as important
as basics like reading comprehension, also arithmetical skills so that
people can create and balance budgets for themselves.

Yes, taxes would probably be involved, but the taxes needed for a low-to-
zero-bureaucracy "old style" school would be *much* lower than the taxes
taken for mega-bureauracies and mega-campuses and mega-stadiums.




Posted by Warm Worm on November 19, 2007, 2:41 pm
Don wrote:
>>
>>> "Kris Krieger"> wrote
>>>> I
>>>> agree with Pat that Education is a natural right, and that this
>>>> rightr is being denied students.
>>> How is that education to be provided?
>>>
>> That is thesis material - one could write hundreds of pages about it. Any
>> method, however, woudl requir that poeple agree that (1) education will be
>> provided to all children, and (2) critical thinking skills are as
>> important
>> as basics like reading comprehension, also arithmetical skills so that
>> people can create and balance budgets for themselves.
>>
>> Yes, taxes would probably be involved,
>
> <shred>
> You can stop right there.
> THEFT is never an option.

How about instead calling it 'ethical coercion'?

> but the taxes needed for a low-to-
>> zero-bureaucracy "old style" school would be *much* lower than the taxes
>> taken for mega-bureauracies and mega-campuses and mega-stadiums.
>
> Its not the *amount* Kris, its the *fact*.
> I have no right to steal 1 cent from you, nor $1,000.

Well maybe you might want to consider stopping yourself from using our
networks, roads, currencies, resources, etc., and go live as a hermit
and independent.
(To quote you:
"Everybody wants a cellphone but nobody wants a tower.")
Then, if you're still taxed (how?), we might agree that it's theft.
Otherwise, one could consider you to be stealing from us if you don't
pay your taxes, but still benefit from our cake.

"Advocates of minimal government contend that the so called 'coercion'
of taxes is essential for the market's survival, and a market free from
taxes may lead to no market at all. By definition, there is no market
without private pro