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Posted by Warm Worm on December 17, 2007, 9:47 pm
Don wrote:
>> Don wrote:
>>>> Don wrote:
>>>>>> Don wrote:
>>>>>>>> Don wrote:
>>>>>>>>> .....Don't go to a gunfight with a knife.
>>>>>>>> Without guns, there are no gunfights.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But thats what Sean Taylor did and he surrendered his life for that
>>>>>>>>> mistake.
>>>>>>>>> He attempted to defend himself and his family with a machete
>>>>>>>>> against 4 or 5 ne'er do wells that had no respect of the law or
>>>>>>>>> life.
>>>>>>>> I've heard that resisting an attack may be worse than not resisting
>>>>>>>> one. If true, resisting an attack with a gun will still pose a
>>>>>>>> certain level of risk beyond not resisting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If Sean had had a firearm there's a good chance this story would
>>>>>>>>> have turned out differently.
>>>>>>>> Maybe.
>>>>>>> A maybe is better than being dead.
>>>>>> In that particular anecdote, sure, but that doesn't take into account
>>>>>> the big picture. Your picture is too little to support your apparent
>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The shooter is 17 years old and justice as it is there's the
>>>>>>>>> liklihood he'll be back on the streets harming others in the
>>>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>> That seems a different, if related, issue.
>>>>>>>> Here's yet another:
>>>>>>>> Have cost-benefit analyses been done with regard to free-for-alls
>>>>>>>> for guns, versus certain forms of gun-control?
>>>>>>> Gun control for who, criminals?
>>>>>>> Sure, why not?
>>>>>> Cough it up, then. Let's see the research beyond the glib. Put on your
>>>>>> fucking combat boots, pack your iron. You wanna talk about
>>>>>> pussification?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I mean, while Sean may have been spared had he had a gun-- a
>>>>>>>> "hole/leak in the boat plugged-up"-- what other holes might open up
>>>>>>>> as a result, and would they be bigger and/or more numerous.
>>>>>>> Such as?
>>>>>> You tell me. It's your thread... or do you just have a knife? Is your
>>>>>> gun too heavy to take out of it's holster? (takes glove off, slaps Don
>>>>>> in face with it)
>>>>>> Wanna shoot yourself if the foot? Happy to just piss in the wind?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If Sean had had a gun and killed all of them in self defense his
>>>>>>>>> family would still be alive and the rest of society would not have
>>>>>>>>> to fear these thugs in the future.
>>>>>>>> If Sean had a gun, Sean might still have been dead.
>>>>>>> Without one, there was no question.
>>>>>>> The thugs went there with a gun and I don't believe it was a fashion
>>>>>>> statement.
>>>>>> Make your point, or do you just want to beat off around the bush?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The shooter and his clan are from my hometown.
>>>>>>>> I suppose they're also pro-gun like you, too?
>>>>>>> They probably figured their victim was gunless, so no they weren't
>>>>>>> like me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps just displaying the gun would have made the vermin scurry
>>>>>>>>> as happens over 1,000,000 times per year in the US.
>>>>>>>>> This whole thing turned out exactly like the anti's prefer.
>>>>>>>> I'd appreciate it if you came up with some, or more, hard evidence
>>>>>>>> to back up your cases, Don, and that you, say, pretended that that--
>>>>>>>> your research-- was your "gun".
>>>>>>> If I give you ALL of the hard evidence there is will you check it
>>>>>>> out?
>>>>>>> I don't wanna waste my time if your just trolling.
>>>>>> Me? Trolling? That's a riot. You're trolling... (slaps Don again with
>>>>>> glove)... because we've gone over this gun thing before. Hard of
>>>>>> hearing or reading? Up for some rehash? <*slap*>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Otherwise, you might as well be pissing in the wind while you're
>>>>>>>> standing down-wind...
>>>>>>> OK, just say when and the evidence is yours, then we'll see who's
>>>>>>> pissing in the wind.
>>>>>> I'm calling you on it. If you have a hard case, I want to see it.
>>>>>> Gun stroking only goes so far. It's its shooting that counts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's possible, and you get to relieve yourself, but you end up
>>>>>>>> smelling and looking funny.
>>>>>>> You're talking about thugs with guns and a dead person, whats funny
>>>>>>> about that?
>>>>>>> Theres a nasty stench blowin in from the north........:-)
>>>>>> (puts leather glove back on, spins gun around a few times and whips it
>>>>>> back in hoster)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DRAW, LISENBACH!
>>>>> OK Richard, you're scared of guns.
>>>>> Your amongst a large and growing herd these days.
>>>> (Whips cowboy-hat off in disgust, throws it to the ground, kicks it and
>>>> spits on the ground... Looks up and glares at Don for an instant,
>>>> ponderin'... as the dust settles around... and mutters:)
>>>>
>>>> "Ah thought as much..."
>>>>
>>>> "...You got as much yella-belly as your say 'n' bout your goverment,
>>>> bo-ah."
>>>>
>>>> (Sticks straw blade in mouth, chews it a little, looks up again at
>>>> Don...)
>>>>
>>>> "I'll be in the saloon... with the men."
>>>>
>>>> (Adjusts holster, picks up hat, & moseys on into the saloon...)
>>>>
>>>> ;)
>>> I remember you saying awhile back that just about everyday you encounter
>>> people that impress you as being only inches from going off the deep end
>>> and causing unfathomable turmoil to others.
>> Not exactly. I meant that, in another time and place, some might be
>> capable of some questionable things. I'm thinking in part about the kind
>> of things the Milgram Experiment, for example, seems to suggest.
>>
>>> I replied by saying I hardly ever see people like that.
>>> No doubt, there are people like you've seen running around, bent on
>>> harming others.
>> And on controlling others; and mindlessly following orders. Stuff like
>> that.
>>
>>> Probably people like that have been around forever, possibly the
>>> environment/culture is causing more and more people to be that way.
>>> I acknowledge that those people exist and believe I should be ready to
>>> deal with them if the need ever occurs.
>>> Actually, I think everybody should be ready for such a thing, but thats
>>> each persons choice.
>> You can't have a contingency plan for every possible eventuality. If you
>> did, you'd probably live in an underground bunker.
>
> You can't even *know* every possible eventuality, so why dwell on it?
> You can however be aware of whats going on around you, ditch the frivolties,
> and focus on whats important.
>
>> You also can decide not to own a gun, despite full knowledge of the
>> possibility of being killed by someone with one.
>
> That possibility exists at all times.
> It is up to the individual to gauge his environment and adjust himself
> accordingly.
> A person has to dig pretty deep to get me to blow a hole or 5 in him.
> I'm mostly naked most of the time, even in this 19 degree weather, so a 3
> pound piece of steel doesn't meld with my attire very well, and then there's
> the comfort thing.
> So instead of walking around paranoid all the time and toting all kinds of
> hardware I have lessened the possibility of me and others becoming fatal
> statistics.
> It people, not wild animals, that are running around killing and harming
> other people.
> So I stay away from other people most of the time and keep my circle of
> associations small and contained.
> My ol' gray haired Pappy told me long ago, 'Son look way ahead for trouble
> and when you spot it on the horizon steer yourself way around it'.
> I've found that advice pretty valuable so far.
>
> > And good luck at overthrowing your gov't with it with the kind of
>> weaponry it has at its disposal.
>
> I'm not interesting in *overthrowing* anything, I'm only interested in
> staying out of its way, and getting on with the business of running my life.
> **Don't forget, they *trained* me to do just exactly what you bid me luck
> at, and they trained me well....just ask em.
Fair enough and agreed.
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