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Re: water in architecture Kris Krieger 04-24-2006
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Posted by Kris Krieger on April 24, 2006, 12:05 pm

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>> That said, and perhaps because I'm still relatively close to school
>> myself (3 years out), I'll address the question.
>>
>> There are three approaches to water and architecture.
>>
>> 1: Water impacting architecture; architecture responding - a friend
>> of mine did a superb thesis on flood mitigation. Another lady at
>> school did a thesis on beach erosion. If I had to do a thesis today
>> I might consider one on storm surges.... As architecture school
>> theses, these are good topics, but I wonder how much longer they'll
>> last before they're as played out as mine was by the time I did it.
>>
>> 2: Water in construction. Chemical reactions involving water lead
>> to the curing and strength of concrete. If wood remains underwater,
>> it won't deteriorate. Nobody ever seems to talk about this in
>> school, even though (or is it because?) it's the most pertinent to
>> real-world construction.
>>
>> 3: Water as a design feature. This is what I think the original
>> poster is driving at, and I'm disappointed. It's perhaps the least
>> interesting. Water has been channeled for drinking, cleaning,
>> aesthetic effect, etc. etc. at least since the height of ancient
>> Rome. The risk in the thesis is for it to become little more than a
>> historical catalogging of buildings with fountains in them. Or maybe
>> he'll be told by a prof to design something, and wind up slapping
>> together a funny looking fountain? And in the end, what will be
>> gained by the study?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Man, that was FUN!
>
> Water evaporation can be used as a cooling effect if it is used on a
> large scale such as running off of a roof on a hot day.
> Its all in the detailing.
> Water is a largely untapped resource.
> Its heavy and has other propertys that should be exploited.
>

Let's not forget that runoff (and grey water) can also be used for
irrigation to enhance the landscaping around a building ;)

Esp. when combined with the use of plants native to the area/climate ;)


Posted by Frankendrip on April 24, 2006, 5:39 pm

"Kris Krieger" <
> "Don"
>
>>
>
> <snipped>
>
>>> That said, and perhaps because I'm still relatively close to school
>>> myself (3 years out), I'll address the question.
>>>
>>> There are three approaches to water and architecture...
>>
>> Water evaporation can be used as a cooling effect if it is used on a
>> large scale such as running off of a roof on a hot day.
>> Its all in the detailing.
>> Water is a largely untapped resource.
>> Its heavy and has other propertys that should be exploited.
>>
>
> Let's not forget that ... (grey water) can also be used for
> irrigation to enhance the landscaping around a building ;)
>

Why stop with just grey? Why the logs, alone, would help to make a
decorative statement.


Posted by Kris Krieger on April 25, 2006, 6:03 pm

>
> "Kris Krieger" <
>> "Don"
>>
>>>
>>
>> <snipped>
>>
>>>> That said, and perhaps because I'm still relatively close to school
>>>> myself (3 years out), I'll address the question.
>>>>
>>>> There are three approaches to water and architecture...
>>>
>>> Water evaporation can be used as a cooling effect if it is used on a
>>> large scale such as running off of a roof on a hot day.
>>> Its all in the detailing.
>>> Water is a largely untapped resource.
>>> Its heavy and has other propertys that should be exploited.
>>>
>>
>> Let's not forget that ... (grey water) can also be used for
>> irrigation to enhance the landscaping around a building ;)
>>
>
> Why stop with just grey? Why the logs, alone, would help to make a
> decorative statement.
>
>

???

Architects have been able to integrate both rainwater irrigations systems
and greywater systems into all sorts of places, made from all sorts of
materials. I suppose they could also be integrated into a log house, but
the best person to ask would prob. be Don because, if I recall correctly,
he was looking into log homes at one point.

My comment was also a bit of a ha-ha on myself because I've blithered on in
the past about xeriscaping, and quite a lot about gardens in general, and
about some of my ideas for a desert house with low environmental impact.




Posted by Frankendrip on April 26, 2006, 2:18 am

"Kris Krieger"
> "Frankendrip"
>
>>
>> "Kris Krieger"
>>> "Don"
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Adam Weiss"
>>>
>>>>> That said, and perhaps because I'm still relatively close to school
>>>>> myself (3 years out), I'll address the question.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are three approaches to water and architecture...
>>>>
>>>> Water evaporation can be used as a cooling effect if it is used on a
>>>> large scale such as running off of a roof on a hot day.
>>>> Its all in the detailing.
>>>> Water is a largely untapped resource.
>>>> Its heavy and has other propertys that should be exploited.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Let's not forget that ... (grey water) can also be used for
>>> irrigation to enhance the landscaping around a building ;)
>>>
>>
>> Why stop with just grey? Why the logs, alone, would help to make a
>> decorative statement.
>>
>>
> ???
>
> I suppose they could also be integrated into a log house, but
> the best person to ask would prob. be Don because, if I recall correctly,
> he was looking into log homes at one point.

LOL

> My comment was also a bit of a ha-ha on myself because I've blithered on
> in
> the past about xeriscaping, and quite a lot about gardens in general, and
> about some of my ideas for a desert house with low environmental impact.

Here in Vancouver, as you may know, Arthur Erikson, Architect (whose work I
dislike a fair bit), has water running over some of the glass part of the
roof of part of the courthouse, so that, in some areas, when you look up,
you can see the water flowing overhead, to create a subtle or vage feeling
like you're underwater or it's raining outside.
(Admittedly, the shimmering light it casts in the interior can be nice with
the right sunlight.)

Your grey water mention gave me an idea-- at first just as a joke-- of some
kind of architecture with raw sewage flowing overhead like that, and/or down
a transparent roof and/or through a transparent waste-pipe, such as right
through the living-room.
It could function in part as a kind of social or environmental commentary.

That might make one hell of a university architecture project.


Posted by Kris Krieger on May 1, 2006, 7:50 pm

>
> "Kris Krieger"
>> "Frankendrip"
>>
>>>
>>> "Kris Krieger"
>>>> "Don"
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Adam Weiss"
>>>>
>>>>>> That said, and perhaps because I'm still relatively close to
>>>>>> school myself (3 years out), I'll address the question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are three approaches to water and architecture...
>>>>>
>>>>> Water evaporation can be used as a cooling effect if it is used on
>>>>> a large scale such as running off of a roof on a hot day.
>>>>> Its all in the detailing.
>>>>> Water is a largely untapped resource.
>>>>> Its heavy and has other propertys that should be exploited.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let's not forget that ... (grey water) can also be used for
>>>> irrigation to enhance the landscaping around a building ;)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why stop with just grey? Why the logs, alone, would help to make a
>>> decorative statement.
>>>
>>>
>> ???
>>
>> I suppose they could also be integrated into a log house, but
>> the best person to ask would prob. be Don because, if I recall
>> correctly, he was looking into log homes at one point.
>
> LOL
>
>> My comment was also a bit of a ha-ha on myself because I've blithered
>> on in
>> the past about xeriscaping, and quite a lot about gardens in general,
>> and about some of my ideas for a desert house with low environmental
>> impact.
>
> Here in Vancouver, as you may know, Arthur Erikson, Architect (whose
> work I dislike a fair bit), has water running over some of the glass
> part of the roof of part of the courthouse, so that, in some areas,
> when you look up, you can see the water flowing overhead, to create a
> subtle or vage feeling like you're underwater or it's raining outside.
> (Admittedly, the shimmering light it casts in the interior can be nice
> with the right sunlight.)

Actually, I didn't know, aside for thinking "that sounds somehwat
familiar...", so I did some Googling. I didn't look at a lot of images,
but the ones I saw didn't reach out and grab me.

It seemed to me, though, that Vancouver buildings got so much rain already,
without adding to the look of more rain... but I can't otherwise comment
without seeing it.


OTOH sheets of water can definitely be mesmerizing to look through. I
designed my future pool (start date will prob. be in June) with a water
feature that's 12 feet (width, not height) of sheeting water coming out of
a wall 2' above the pool-coping/ground level, and a bench in the pool
itself, behind the cascade. Not at all practical (although it ought to be
nice on a hot day, plus it will reflect light into the north-facing MBR)
(and sound great when it's running)... IOW: I can't say that I'm immune to
the effect of cascading water <g!>

It's a broad topic, tho', the various uses of water in architecture...it is
always a statement, that much is true. The only question lies in what kind
of a statement.


> Your grey water mention gave me an idea-- at first just as a joke-- of
> some kind of architecture with raw sewage flowing overhead like that,
> and/or down a transparent roof and/or through a transparent
> waste-pipe, such as right through the living-room.
> It could function in part as a kind of social or environmental
> commentary.
>
> That might make one hell of a university architecture project.
>

Well, you do get people who make huge "art installations", some of which
are fairly elaborate structures.

But I'd highly doubt you could use raw sewage, because of health
regulations. The best you could do is have something that had the
appearance, using silicone "glop" or whatever, and dye. Maybe thicked with
a bit of inoroganic gel.

The idea doesn't appeal to me personally, but if you even did it, I'm sure
you'd create a lot of buzz <G!>

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