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Re: water in architecture Kris Krieger 04-24-2006
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Posted by Warm Worm on May 6, 2006, 5:24 pm
Kris Krieger wrote:
>
>> "Kris Krieger"
>>> "Frankendrip"
>>>
>>>> "Kris Krieger"
>>>>> "Don"
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Adam Weiss"
>>>>>>> That said, and perhaps because I'm still relatively close to
>>>>>>> school myself (3 years out), I'll address the question.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are three approaches to water and architecture...
>>>>>> Water evaporation can be used as a cooling effect if it is used on
>>>>>> a large scale such as running off of a roof on a hot day.
>>>>>> Its all in the detailing.
>>>>>> Water is a largely untapped resource.
>>>>>> Its heavy and has other propertys that should be exploited.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Let's not forget that ... (grey water) can also be used for
>>>>> irrigation to enhance the landscaping around a building ;)
>>>>>
>>>> Why stop with just grey? Why the logs, alone, would help to make a
>>>> decorative statement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ???
>>>
>>> I suppose they could also be integrated into a log house, but
>>> the best person to ask would prob. be Don because, if I recall
>>> correctly, he was looking into log homes at one point.
>>
>> LOL
>>
>>> My comment was also a bit of a ha-ha on myself because I've blithered
>>> on in the past about xeriscaping, and quite a lot about gardens in general,
>>> and about some of my ideas for a desert house with low environmental
>>> impact.
>>
>>
>> Here in Vancouver, as you may know, Arthur Erikson, Architect (whose
>> work I dislike a fair bit), has water running over some of the glass
>> part of the roof of part of the courthouse, so that, in some areas,
>> when you look up, you can see the water flowing overhead, to create a
>> subtle or vage feeling like you're underwater or it's raining outside.
>> (Admittedly, the shimmering light it casts in the interior can be nice
>> with the right sunlight.)
>
> Actually, I didn't know, aside for thinking "that sounds somehwat
> familiar...", so I did some Googling. I didn't look at a lot of images,
> but the ones I saw didn't reach out and grab me.

He ostensibly appeals to those who can fund his work-- those who may be
less interested in (certain kinds of) aesthetics, and/or motivated more
by money.

> It seemed to me, though, that Vancouver buildings got so much rain already,
> without adding to the look of more rain...

Exactly. You're sharp.

> OTOH sheets of water can definitely be mesmerizing to look through. I
> designed my future pool (start date will prob. be in June) with a water
> feature that's 12 feet (width, not height) of sheeting water coming out of
> a wall 2' above the pool-coping/ground level, and a bench in the pool
> itself, behind the cascade. Not at all practical (although it ought to be
> nice on a hot day, plus it will reflect light into the north-facing MBR)
> (and sound great when it's running).

Sounds delightful. I trust you will invite me over when it's done. ;)

> It's a broad topic, tho', the various uses of water in architecture...it is
> always a statement, that much is true. The only question lies in what kind
> of a statement.
>
>> Your grey water mention gave me an idea-- at first just as a joke-- of
>> some kind of architecture with raw sewage flowing overhead like that,
>> and/or down a transparent roof and/or through a transparent
>> waste-pipe, such as right through the living-room.
>> It could function in part as a kind of social or environmental
>> commentary.
>>
>> That might make one hell of a university architecture project.
>>
>
> Well, you do get people who make huge "art installations", some of which
> are fairly elaborate structures.

True, and apparently, universities put out housing competitions like the
Solar Decathlon.

> But I'd highly doubt you could use raw sewage, because of health
> regulations. The best you could do is have something that had the
> appearance, using silicone "glop" or whatever, and dye. Maybe thicked with
> a bit of inoroganic gel.

That's an idea, however, regulations-approved transparent-plastic
waste-piping running throughout an experimental house should be fine.
Naturally, each visitor would be encouraged to use the facilities.

> The idea doesn't appeal to me personally, but if you even did it, I'm sure
> you'd create a lot of buzz <G!>

Flies, right? :)

Posted by Kris Krieger on May 12, 2006, 7:07 pm

> Kris Krieger wrote:
>>
>>> "Kris Krieger"
>>>> "Frankendrip"
[snip]
>>> Here in Vancouver, as you may know, Arthur Erikson, Architect (whose
>>> work I dislike a fair bit), has water running over some of the glass
>>> part of the roof of part of the courthouse, so that, in some areas,
>>> when you look up, you can see the water flowing overhead, to create
>>> a subtle or vage feeling like you're underwater or it's raining
>>> outside. (Admittedly, the shimmering light it casts in the interior
>>> can be nice with the right sunlight.)
>>
>> Actually, I didn't know, aside for thinking "that sounds somehwat
>> familiar...", so I did some Googling. I didn't look at a lot of
>> images, but the ones I saw didn't reach out and grab me.
>
> He ostensibly appeals to those who can fund his work-- those who may
> be less interested in (certain kinds of) aesthetics, and/or motivated
> more by money.
>
>> It seemed to me, though, that Vancouver buildings got so much rain
>> already, without adding to the look of more rain...
>
> Exactly. You're sharp.

I dunno 'bout that, but it just seems odd to me - OTOH, I guess "Nouveau
Atlantean" might also be a style, what with Global Warming <G!>


>> OTOH sheets of water can definitely be mesmerizing to look through.
>> I designed my future pool (start date will prob. be in June) with a
>> water feature that's 12 feet (width, not height) of sheeting water
>> coming out of a wall 2' above the pool-coping/ground level, and a
>> bench in the pool itself, behind the cascade. Not at all practical
>> (although it ought to be nice on a hot day, plus it will reflect
>> light into the north-facing MBR) (and sound great when it's running).
>
> Sounds delightful. I trust you will invite me over when it's done. ;)



>
>> It's a broad topic, tho', the various uses of water in
>> architecture...it is always a statement, that much is true. The only
>> question lies in what kind of a statement.
>>
>>> Your grey water mention gave me an idea-- at first just as a joke--
>>> of some kind of architecture with raw sewage flowing overhead like
>>> that, and/or down a transparent roof and/or through a transparent
>>> waste-pipe, such as right through the living-room.
>>> It could function in part as a kind of social or environmental
>>> commentary.
>>>
>>> That might make one hell of a university architecture project.
>>>
>>
>> Well, you do get people who make huge "art installations", some of
>> which are fairly elaborate structures.
>
> True, and apparently, universities put out housing competitions like
> the
> Solar Decathlon.

I'd actually not heard of that, so I Googled it - kind of interesting, I'll
have to do more reading.

I was working (well, just in 3D opf course, since I am merely a "pretty
picture maker" ;) - well, they're pretty if everything works well,
otherwise they're, er, pictures... Anyhoo, I was working on trying to come
up with a thing that'd use both passive heating and passive cooling. One
thing that stymied me was the metallurgy/math - I wanted to figure out
whether some roof vents could be opened using the expansion of metal, prob
a spring such as the sort used in an outdoor thermometer, but larger of
course, and then closed (to conserve heat) when the chilled metal
contracted again. I also doodled out a thing where pipes would run
underground - passive vents from the interior of the house would open (as
above) to let out heat, whcih would draw air in through a screened vent,
through the earth where it'd be cooled, and then up through floor vents in
the house (that'd also close, or could be closed, during chilly weather).
All of that is, of course, pie-in-the-sky, or as most people I know call
it, "just more of Kris' weirded-out stuff", and I've no idea whether any of
it would work - although I suppose it's better than watching most of what's
on television <LOL!>

Seriously, tho'!, I think it'd be interesting and "really nifty" ;0 if
there were passive ways to do some of this stuff. So the Solar Decathalon
is an interesting tidbit. thanks for the reference :)


>> But I'd highly doubt you could use raw sewage, because of health
>> regulations. The best you could do is have something that had the
>> appearance, using silicone "glop" or whatever, and dye. Maybe
>> thicked with a bit of inoroganic gel.
>
> That's an idea, however, regulations-approved transparent-plastic
> waste-piping running throughout an experimental house should be fine.
> Naturally, each visitor would be encouraged to use the facilities.

You might be on to something there. Team up and propose it, I'd bet money
(not much, but money <G!>) that it'd get approval and lots of visitors!

>
>> The idea doesn't appeal to me personally, but if you even did it, I'm
>> sure you'd create a lot of buzz <G!>
>
> Flies, right? :)
>

Not much difference, flies or art critics =8-O ooooh I am rood!

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