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Rip The Ripper, Part 2: Digital Media Exchange 2008 and Beyond Warm Worm 01-01-2008
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Posted by Warm Worm on January 1, 2008, 4:52 pm
Is your post's title copyrighted? ;)

"There is evidence that the darknet will continue to exist and provide low
cost, high-quality service to a large group of consumers. This means that in
many markets, the darknet will be a competitor to legal commerce. From the
point of view of economic theory, this has profound implications for
business strategy: for example, increased security (e.g. stronger DRM
systems) may act as a disincentive to legal commerce. Consider an MP3 file
sold on a web site: this costs money, but the purchased object is as useful
as a version acquired from the darknet. However, a securely DRM-wrapped
song is strictly less attractive: although the industry is striving for
flexible licensing rules, customers will be restricted in their actions if
the system is to provide meaningful security. This means that a vendor will
probably make more money by selling unprotected objects than protected
objects. In short, if you are competing with the darknet, you must compete
on the darknet's own terms: that is convenience and low cost rather than
additional security."
-- http://www.bearcave.com/misl/misl_tech/msdrm/darknet.htm

I've viewed Part 1, and there's now a Part 2:

http://www.stealthisfilm.com/Part2/faq.php
"...While they continue to command so much attention in the mainstream
media, the 'battles' between old and new modes of distribution, between the
pirate and the institution of copyright, seem to many of us already lost and
won. We know who the victors are. Why then say any more?
Because waves of repression continue to come: lawsuits are still levied
against innocent people; arrests are still made on flimsy pretexts, in order
to terrify and confuse; harsh laws are still enacted against filesharing,
taking their place in the gradual erosion of our privacy and the bolstering
of the surveillance state. All of this is intended to destroy or delay
inexorable changes in what it means to create and exchange our creations. If
STEAL THIS FILM II proves at all useful in bringing new people into the
leagues of those now prepared to think 'after intellectual property', think
creatively about the future of distribution, production and creativity, we
have achieved our main goal."

> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,319276,00.html

"The film [Outfoxed] says this pervasive bias contradicts the channel's
claim of being 'Fair and Balanced', and argues that Fox News has been
engaging in what amounts to consumer fraud."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outfoxed

We'll leave the fear-mongering to Fox, the RIAA, the MPAA, Don et al.. ;)

Related Links:
http://www.updocfilms.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.org
http://www.plos.org/
http://www.eff.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_P2P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darknet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend-to-friend
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripple_monetary_system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniable_encryption
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASTE



Posted by Michael Bulatovich on January 1, 2008, 5:56 pm

> Is your post's title copyrighted? ;)
>
> "There is evidence that the darknet will continue to exist and provide low
> cost, high-quality service to a large group of consumers. This means that
> in many markets, the darknet will be a competitor to legal commerce. From
> the point of view of economic theory, this has profound implications for
> business strategy: for example, increased security (e.g. stronger DRM
> systems) may act as a disincentive to legal commerce. Consider an MP3
> file sold on a web site: this costs money, but the purchased object is as
> useful as a version acquired from the darknet. However, a securely
> DRM-wrapped song is strictly less attractive: although the industry is
> striving for flexible licensing rules, customers will be restricted in
> their actions if the system is to provide meaningful security. This means
> that a vendor will probably make more money by selling unprotected objects
> than protected objects. In short, if you are competing with the darknet,
> you must compete on the darknet's own terms: that is convenience and low
> cost rather than additional security."
> -- http://www.bearcave.com/misl/misl_tech/msdrm/darknet.htm
>
> I've viewed Part 1, and there's now a Part 2:
>
> http://www.stealthisfilm.com/Part2/faq.php
> "...While they continue to command so much attention in the mainstream
> media, the 'battles' between old and new modes of distribution, between
> the pirate and the institution of copyright, seem to many of us already
> lost and won. We know who the victors are. Why then say any more?
> Because waves of repression continue to come: lawsuits are still levied
> against innocent people; arrests are still made on flimsy pretexts, in
> order to terrify and confuse; harsh laws are still enacted against
> filesharing, taking their place in the gradual erosion of our privacy and
> the bolstering of the surveillance state. All of this is intended to
> destroy or delay inexorable changes in what it means to create and
> exchange our creations. If STEAL THIS FILM II proves at all useful in
> bringing new people into the leagues of those now prepared to think 'after
> intellectual property', think creatively about the future of distribution,
> production and creativity, we have achieved our main goal."
>
>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,319276,00.html
>
> "The film [Outfoxed] says this pervasive bias contradicts the channel's
> claim of being 'Fair and Balanced', and argues that Fox News has been
> engaging in what amounts to consumer fraud."
> -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outfoxed
>
> We'll leave the fear-mongering to Fox, the RIAA, the MPAA, Don et al.. ;)
>
> Related Links:
> http://www.updocfilms.com/
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.org
> http://www.plos.org/
> http://www.eff.org/
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_P2P
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darknet
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend-to-friend
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripple_monetary_system
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniable_encryption
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASTE
>

Did you watch that holiday movie that Secretia posted a while back?



Posted by Warm Worm on January 1, 2008, 7:29 pm

>
>> Is your post's title copyrighted? ;)
>>
>> "There is evidence that the darknet will continue to exist and provide
>> low cost, high-quality service to a large group of consumers. This means
>> that in many markets, the darknet will be a competitor to legal commerce.
>> From the point of view of economic theory, this has profound implications
>> for business strategy: for example, increased security (e.g. stronger DRM
>> systems) may act as a disincentive to legal commerce. Consider an MP3
>> file sold on a web site: this costs money, but the purchased object is as
>> useful as a version acquired from the darknet. However, a securely
>> DRM-wrapped song is strictly less attractive: although the industry is
>> striving for flexible licensing rules, customers will be restricted in
>> their actions if the system is to provide meaningful security. This
>> means that a vendor will probably make more money by selling unprotected
>> objects than protected objects. In short, if you are competing with the
>> darknet, you must compete on the darknet's own terms: that is convenience
>> and low cost rather than additional security."
>> -- http://www.bearcave.com/misl/misl_tech/msdrm/darknet.htm
>>
>> I've viewed Part 1, and there's now a Part 2:
>>
>> http://www.stealthisfilm.com/Part2/faq.php
>> "...While they continue to command so much attention in the mainstream
>> media, the 'battles' between old and new modes of distribution, between
>> the pirate and the institution of copyright, seem to many of us already
>> lost and won. We know who the victors are. Why then say any more?
>> Because waves of repression continue to come: lawsuits are still levied
>> against innocent people; arrests are still made on flimsy pretexts, in
>> order to terrify and confuse; harsh laws are still enacted against
>> filesharing, taking their place in the gradual erosion of our privacy and
>> the bolstering of the surveillance state. All of this is intended to
>> destroy or delay inexorable changes in what it means to create and
>> exchange our creations. If STEAL THIS FILM II proves at all useful in
>> bringing new people into the leagues of those now prepared to think
>> 'after intellectual property', think creatively about the future of
>> distribution, production and creativity, we have achieved our main goal."
>>
>>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,319276,00.html
>>
>> "The film [Outfoxed] says this pervasive bias contradicts the channel's
>> claim of being 'Fair and Balanced', and argues that Fox News has been
>> engaging in what amounts to consumer fraud."
>> -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outfoxed
>>
>> We'll leave the fear-mongering to Fox, the RIAA, the MPAA, Don et al.. ;)
>>
>> Related Links:
>> http://www.updocfilms.com/
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.org
>> http://www.plos.org/
>> http://www.eff.org/
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_P2P
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darknet
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend-to-friend
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripple_monetary_system
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniable_encryption
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASTE
>>
>
> Did you watch that holiday movie that Secretia posted a while back?

No, are you suggesting it's worth a watch? What was it again?



Posted by Michael Bulatovich on January 1, 2008, 10:21 pm

>
>>
>>> Is your post's title copyrighted? ;)
>>>
>>> "There is evidence that the darknet will continue to exist and provide
>>> low cost, high-quality service to a large group of consumers. This means
>>> that in many markets, the darknet will be a competitor to legal
>>> commerce. From the point of view of economic theory, this has profound
>>> implications for business strategy: for example, increased security
>>> (e.g. stronger DRM systems) may act as a disincentive to legal commerce.
>>> Consider an MP3 file sold on a web site: this costs money, but the
>>> purchased object is as useful as a version acquired from the darknet.
>>> However, a securely DRM-wrapped song is strictly less attractive:
>>> although the industry is striving for flexible licensing rules,
>>> customers will be restricted in their actions if the system is to
>>> provide meaningful security. This means that a vendor will probably
>>> make more money by selling unprotected objects than protected objects.
>>> In short, if you are competing with the darknet, you must compete on the
>>> darknet's own terms: that is convenience and low cost rather than
>>> additional security."
>>> -- http://www.bearcave.com/misl/misl_tech/msdrm/darknet.htm
>>>
>>> I've viewed Part 1, and there's now a Part 2:
>>>
>>> http://www.stealthisfilm.com/Part2/faq.php
>>> "...While they continue to command so much attention in the mainstream
>>> media, the 'battles' between old and new modes of distribution, between
>>> the pirate and the institution of copyright, seem to many of us already
>>> lost and won. We know who the victors are. Why then say any more?
>>> Because waves of repression continue to come: lawsuits are still levied
>>> against innocent people; arrests are still made on flimsy pretexts, in
>>> order to terrify and confuse; harsh laws are still enacted against
>>> filesharing, taking their place in the gradual erosion of our privacy
>>> and the bolstering of the surveillance state. All of this is intended to
>>> destroy or delay inexorable changes in what it means to create and
>>> exchange our creations. If STEAL THIS FILM II proves at all useful in
>>> bringing new people into the leagues of those now prepared to think
>>> 'after intellectual property', think creatively about the future of
>>> distribution, production and creativity, we have achieved our main
>>> goal."
>>>
>>>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,319276,00.html
>>>
>>> "The film [Outfoxed] says this pervasive bias contradicts the channel's
>>> claim of being 'Fair and Balanced', and argues that Fox News has been
>>> engaging in what amounts to consumer fraud."
>>> -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outfoxed
>>>
>>> We'll leave the fear-mongering to Fox, the RIAA, the MPAA, Don et al..
>>> ;)
>>>
>>> Related Links:
>>> http://www.updocfilms.com/
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.org
>>> http://www.plos.org/
>>> http://www.eff.org/
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_P2P
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darknet
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend-to-friend
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripple_monetary_system
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniable_encryption
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASTE
>>>
>>
>> Did you watch that holiday movie that Secretia posted a while back?
>
> No, are you suggesting it's worth a watch? What was it again?

Don't know you well enough to steer you to that one. I did watch it, and
while I did find it had glaring mistakes in it, it was thought provoking in
some ways...I'm still sifting through it's resonances...



Posted by Warm Worm on January 2, 2008, 12:15 am
Michael Bulatovich wrote:
>>>> Is your post's title copyrighted? ;)
>>>>
>>>> "There is evidence that the darknet will continue to exist and provide
>>>> low cost, high-quality service to a large group of consumers. This means
>>>> that in many markets, the darknet will be a competitor to legal
>>>> commerce. From the point of view of economic theory, this has profound
>>>> implications for business strategy: for example, increased security
>>>> (e.g. stronger DRM systems) may act as a disincentive to legal commerce.
>>>> Consider an MP3 file sold on a web site: this costs money, but the
>>>> purchased object is as useful as a version acquired from the darknet.
>>>> However, a securely DRM-wrapped song is strictly less attractive:
>>>> although the industry is striving for flexible licensing rules,
>>>> customers will be restricted in their actions if the system is to
>>>> provide meaningful security. This means that a vendor will probably
>>>> make more money by selling unprotected objects than protected objects.
>>>> In short, if you are competing with the darknet, you must compete on the
>>>> darknet's own terms: that is convenience and low cost rather than
>>>> additional security."
>>>> -- http://www.bearcave.com/misl/misl_tech/msdrm/darknet.htm
>>>>
>>>> I've viewed Part 1, and there's now a Part 2:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.stealthisfilm.com/Part2/faq.php
>>>> "...While they continue to command so much attention in the mainstream
>>>> media, the 'battles' between old and new modes of distribution, between
>>>> the pirate and the institution of copyright, seem to many of us already
>>>> lost and won. We know who the victors are. Why then say any more?
>>>> Because waves of repression continue to come: lawsuits are still levied
>>>> against innocent people; arrests are still made on flimsy pretexts, in
>>>> order to terrify and confuse; harsh laws are still enacted against
>>>> filesharing, taking their place in the gradual erosion of our privacy
>>>> and the bolstering of the surveillance state. All of this is intended to
>>>> destroy or delay inexorable changes in what it means to create and
>>>> exchange our creations. If STEAL THIS FILM II proves at all useful in
>>>> bringing new people into the leagues of those now prepared to think
>>>> 'after intellectual property', think creatively about the future of
>>>> distribution, production and creativity, we have achieved our main
>>>> goal."
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,319276,00.html
>>>> "The film [Outfoxed] says this pervasive bias contradicts the channel's
>>>> claim of being 'Fair and Balanced', and argues that Fox News has been
>>>> engaging in what amounts to consumer fraud."
>>>> -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outfoxed
>>>>
>>>> We'll leave the fear-mongering to Fox, the RIAA, the MPAA, Don et al..
>>>> ;)
>>>>
>>>> Related Links:
>>>> http://www.updocfilms.com/
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.org
>>>> http://www.plos.org/
>>>> http://www.eff.org/
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_P2P
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darknet
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend-to-friend
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripple_monetary_system
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deniable_encryption
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WASTE
>>>>
>>> Did you watch that holiday movie that Secretia posted a while back?
>> No, are you suggesting it's worth a watch? What was it again?
>
> Don't know you well enough to steer you to that one.

Well your mere mention of it seems like a bit of a steer. :)

> I did watch it, and while I did find it had glaring mistakes in it, it was
thought provoking in
> some ways...I'm still sifting through it's resonances...

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